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Flatter: Bretton Woods or Waterville Valley?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hey guys,

So today I was at Bretton Woods. I had heard that it was a pretty flat mountain but I didn't think it would be THAT freaking flat! Hey the liftie was free so its not a big deal. Anyway, we were planning on going to Waterville Valley tomorrow and I was wondering which of these two mountains is steeper. If it sounds like Waterville is pretty much the same we may be changing plans. 

Any insight is appreciated! 

Thanks!   
post #2 of 18
Waterville Valley is considerably steeper. There is actually a shortage of lower intermediate runs on the mountain. Most such terrain is acessed by the Valley Run chair. The only such terrain on the upper mountain is a horrible trail called Oblivion that was originally a construction road. In general Waterville is steeper than Loon for example and much steeper than Bretton Woods. The thing about Waterville's terrain however is that most trails are fairly wide and the slope rather uniform and hence do not seem very steep. Except for a few trails like Bobby's Run and maybe True Grit, the terrain is not at all intimidating even for intermediate skiers. If you want steep and gnarly, go to Cannon, otherwise you will enjoy Waterville. A number of World Cup events have been held there and World Cup GS terrain is about the norm albeit fairly wide open, as I said.

Hope this helps.
post #3 of 18
Bretton Woods has a reputation as a cruising mountain.  The grooming is great.  The trails off the Zephyr and Bethlehem lifts are moderate to lower level blue.  There are a few steeps over off the West Mountain quad and the upper Rosebrook Quad.  (Bode's Run etc.)  If you get into the woods off the Rosebrook Quad you'll find some very good double black glades.

Bretton Woods is more of a family mountain than a rippers mountain.  If you are looking for steeps out the wazoo then Cannon is the place.  However, Cannon can get icy.  Also Loon has some great steeps and black bumps.

Waterville has some good areas, but the mountain can get icy.  I was there last Saturday and Tippecanoe was a sheet of ice from top down.  Not fun at all and there were not many people skiing it.
post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 
 Perfect! Waterville Valley it is. Thanks for the info guys. 
post #5 of 18
If you are looking for something a little steeper, why not go to Cannon?
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ullr View Post

If you are looking for something a little steeper, why not go to Cannon?

Because the liftie was free. Went to Waterville today and found it to be way way better than Flatten Woods. I had a really good time. Much much more terrain that was interesting. The base is really burning up in a hurry so I don't know that after Sunday more than a few trails will be skiable. 
post #7 of 18
Bretton Woods...  there has got to be steeper cross-country skiing around.  I've often said Bretton Woods is the only lift-serviced cross-country ski area in the world.
post #8 of 18
I think that you've really gotta head for the trees at BW if the groomers bore you (and they do tend to be flat). There are also some bump runs that will give you more of a challenge...I chickened out on a narrow one in the trees below the general area of Bode's a few weeks ago. Bode's can be extremely nasty if it's not groomed and icy!!

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Bretton Woods...  there has got to be steeper cross-country skiing around.  I've often said Bretton Woods is the only lift-serviced cross-country ski area in the world.
 
post #9 of 18
 I will always be grateful to Bretton Woods. When I first met my wife, she had never skied. For several seasons, I cruised Toll Road at Stowe with her with occasional forays onto Lord when she felt daring. A few times a year, I would hit Whiteface or Stowe by myself for some "real skiing"

On a whim I took her to Bretton Woods. I had never been there but, thought she would enjoy it.

Wow, with their perfect fall line runs, she was quickly bombing them top to bottom and asking me to ski the glades.  

She left there with confidence in her abilities and has built on that ever since. 

Don't knock the place. It's great at giving people a place to expand their skills. 
post #10 of 18
Have you been there since they added the West Mountain or Rosebrook Summit/Rosebrook Canyon? I'm saying they're incredibly steep, but the trails up there are by no means flat. 
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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post

Bretton Woods...  there has got to be steeper cross-country skiing around.  I've often said Bretton Woods is the only lift-serviced cross-country ski area in the world.
post #11 of 18
I think its a great place for people to learn to ski and improve their skiing. Go to any ski area and you will see people skiing beyond their skill level or just skiing badly because they started skiing steeper terrain before they were ready. Improving your skiing and achieving a mastery of the sport is part of the fascination. I'll take that approach over bragging rights any day and BW is a good place for it.
post #12 of 18

I grew up skiing in the Northeast, but I did not make it over to to Bretton Woods until my 25th year skiing because I always heard it was "too flat."

 

Bwoods will always have a special place in my long list of place I have skied. I tell people, "It's a feel good mountain, and sometimes, you just want to feel good." There is nothing overly challenging about it, but its still where I try to do my opening day every season now. They know how to manage a mountain properly. Well groomed. Clean. Orderly lines. Friendly lifties. Family oriented. I found that its a great place to cruise around, while working on form. Sometimes you need to get back to the basics, and this is a great place to do it. Not to mention breathtakingly beautiful view.

post #13 of 18
BW is a great place to ski with kids because they can do the whole mountain. You're not stuck on greens down low or the same 2 skiable blues. They can do the "steeps" and lots of great, accessible glades. It's fun. Isn't that skiing? Cruising all over with your loved ones and beginner spouses and friends. My 6 year did his first "double black" and was stoked for weeks. Gotta say, I had a blast in those long, easy tempered glades too.
post #14 of 18

IMO, BW is a great place for beginners and low intermediates. They can go all over the mountain, there's lots of fall line skiing, not a lot of real cat tracks, and great views of Mt. Washington and the Presidentials. It's not steep. The one headwall on Bode's is fairly steep but short. They also often leave a reasonable amount of stuff ungroomed and there are tree runs that suit a lot of abilities. Certainly not the place if you're looking for steep groomers.

post #15 of 18

Yes........... it's REALLY REALLY FLAT!!!!!!!!!! Don't come to BW!  ....and don't move to Vermont either. It's much too cold here! (heh, heh)

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post #17 of 18

Planing on BW to be my go to mountain when I am in my 80"s/ scratch that 90's

post #18 of 18

My 6 and 8 year old constantly complain that their legs are tired and they are hungry from skiing glades all day.

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