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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
 I tried the new 2011 Head Peak 88 Fluid Ride in 175 cm  today (3/28/10) in deep spring conditions.  New for this year appears to be the Fluid Ride tips.  The tips have a much softer flex than the rest of the ski, which makes it behave a bit more like a rockered ski, even though when you put the bases together, it looks like a more traditional cambered ski.  In deep, soft spring snow with huge ruts and killer mounds, these skis traveled through the crud with ease.  The softer tips allowed you to easily glide over the bumps and ruts without loosing any fore-aft balance, or working to hard.  The skis also hooked up easily,  making carving easy.  Although I only tried these for a few runs in spring conditions today, where they really excelled, it appears that they should behave admirably in harder snow, on groomers, in powder, or wherever you take them.  I would love to have the opportunity to try these again, in a variety of conditions, as it appears that they may be a very good ski for a 1 ski quiver!  The Fluid Ride tips are what makes these skis magic in my opinion!
post #2 of 23
I received these as a replacement for my head monster 88's in a 175.  I had no idea what these skis were about (other than Garish 1980's Graphics and colors).  They have nothing in common with the monsters that they replaced.  They are a little balky and chattery on hard snow.  And no longer capable of that power-blasting crud performance. I'd be hesitant to push them at anywhere near they same speeds as I pushed the old monster 88's.

However, they are an excellent Spring skiing ski.  Great in bumps, soft velvety tree runs, slush piles.  I bet they'd be great in boot top or less snow.  Probably fairly good in negotiating nasty snow and crud at moderate speeds.  In all, they're a fine quiver ski, a solid choice for spring/ soft snow ski especially if bumps and threading tight spots are part of the adventure.  But they have completely lost the burly one-ski quiver chops of the Head Monster 88.  Those were great skis-I miss them. 
post #3 of 23

Anyone know if the 2010-11 Peak 88 will be available both as a Fluid Ride and non-Fluid versions? Bob Peters?

I demoed the Monster 82 a few years ago and like them on trail and in crude, but it was a handful in bumps and in tight spaces. The slightly softer Peak 88 with one less layer of titanal appeals to me, but I don't like the idea of tips and tails much softer than the rest of the ski. I'd prefer a ski that flexes more traditionally.

Bluebear

post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 
As far as I'm aware the Peak 88 is  Fluid Ride ski - no non-fluid ride options are available - you may want to call the manufacturer to be sure.  If you haven't demoed the new Peak 88, you may want to give it a try, it appears to be a very different ski than the older Monster 82.
post #5 of 23
I didn't think that Head would offer two versions of the same ski, but the other threads about the Peak 88 and how it differs from the Monster 88 did not mention Fluid Ride. I'm trying to decide between the Elan 888 the Peak 88. I demoed the Elan 888 at Alta and really liked it but could not find the Peak. My skiing days are over for this season so no Peak demo.

Thanks.
post #6 of 23

As I understand it (a) the 2010 Peak 88 was less stiff overall than the 2009 Monster 88, but still did not have "Fluid Ride", and (b) the 2011 Peak 88 will be like the 2010 but with FR (softer tips).

I demo'ed the 2010 Peak 88 at Snowmass this Spring and loved it.  But I confess to being curious as to how the 2011 will ski. I'm also curious overall to how skis with soft tips will ski compared to skis with "early rise".  (early rise and soft tips at the same time -- consult your physician....)     

post #7 of 23
I skied on this ski a couple of weeks for a few runs. the were the reps ski and had the 2 piece World cup plate installed on them. the tip is made of an elastomer material only and then the wood core meets this elsatomer material up near the contact point. so as the tip bends it gets progressively stiffer one the actual core engages. tney wer going to call it "Auto-rocker'

this ski was absolutely unbelievable on hard snow. I could lay these things over with my ass  inches off the snow and they held and carved almost as good as my Race skis. I found no chatter or disconcerting characteristics of the tip of the ski at all. In fact just the contrry! And iI was haulng balls on hardpack in full carve mode.. I didn't really get to ski them much off piste, but I did get inot some choppy crud bumps and they skied fine.  In fact better thne my '09 Monster 88, which due to it's stiffness is more difficult to keep in contact with the snow in bumpy conditions.

I am sure part of the extreme hardpack carving perfromance was enhanced by the WC Plate installed. If I were to buy this ski I would definetly put the same 2 piece palte on it.

Very impressive ski.
post #8 of 23
A-Man -- thanks.  Have you tried any of the 2011 Atomic Nomads?  Given your forum name I had to ask.   I think the 2011 Nomads will have something similar to what you described for Head.  And it looks like the top three Nomads (Savage, Crimson, Blackeye) will be wood core. 
post #9 of 23
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the tip is made of an elastomer material only and then the wood core meets this elsatomer material up near the contact point. so as the tip bends it gets progressively stiffer one the actual core engages. tney wer going to call it "Auto-rocker'

this ski was absolutely unbelievable on hard snow. I could lay these things over with my ass  inches off the snow and they held and carved almost as good as my Race skis. 

Interesting; as you know tip rocker doesn't necessarily mean a soft tip, just a tip that's pre-flexed. Suspect this is not just structural transitioning from wood to plastic. What they're using, I'd guess, is the same elastomer they've introduced for their Youtek tennis racquets, something called "d3o" Looks like an extension of i, same idea of stiffening under load. Apparently quite noticeable in their racquets; soft flex at low speed returns, fairly stiff when the ball's coming hard and you're swinging fast. Fairly cool idea for tips. In theory, they should also stiffen on impact with crud or stiff snow. Did you notice that? 

And paging Bob: Am I correct in my assumption? Also, are any other models getting the "fluid" tip?
post #10 of 23

I don't think it is D3o. The Rep. who I know well and have bought numerous skis from would have said d3o. He simply explained that normally the wood core and metal go all the way to the tip, but in this case the tip area is only elastomer with no addtional core material.


By the way he has been with Head many years. No rookie!
 

I did not notice any stiffening on impact, Only that as the ski is flexed, the tip is easily bent and then engages the stouter part of the ski as the carve pressure and edge angle increase.

post #11 of 23

I skied on the Crimson TI. Nothing much to remark about. Didn't hate the ski but didn't love it either. I thought it lacked personaility. the last time I skie on one I hated it comapred with the Monster 88. the Nomad had a lot of tip deflection and i felt every bump, nook & cranny in the snow. The new model was smoother but drab.

 

I like the Mojo 94 better then all of them! (with a 1 degree base bevel and 3 degree side edge) . it is the John this year and will be called the Johhny next, with no change in the ski other then Graphics. Butmy favorite ski of the day was the non-

FIS  Atomic D2 Race GS in a 179cm, 18.4 M radius. The Double Deck works kinda of like the Head Fluid ride. the lower deck bends easily until the control deck on top engages and the ski becomes progressively more stout as it is flexed. It had tenacious edge grip but had a very forgiving feel longitudinally. A ski i felt i could really bend above the gate abut still give up nothing in edge grip and power


Also skied the Head i.speed 180cm 18M and new Fischer RC Pro. As I am looking for a new Masters GS Race ski.

The new RC pro is 17M in a 175cm and is 71mm at the waist.(that is what a midfat used to be?) Both Head and the Fischer were ridiculously stout. with the fischer feeling the stiffest. The Fischer Rep. told me not even to bother with the 180cm as it is even stiffer.

 

 

post #12 of 23
I think if it was D3o, Head would be hyping it, like they are in their tennis rackets: http://www.head.com/tennis/technology.php?region=us&tag=youtek

  (Aside: I'll be demo-ing the Youtek Extreme this weekend). 

A-Man -- thanks for the feedback on the Crimson Ti.  Was that a 2011 that you tested?
post #13 of 23
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I like the Mojo 94 better then all of them! (with a 1 degree base bevel and 3 degree side edge) . it is the John this year and will be called the Johhny next, with no change in the ski other then Graphics. 


So, looks like Head went from John Lennon to Johnny Moseley in their ski name inspiration?   That whole Rock-n-Roll theme was confusing to me, who were they trying to reach?  Aging baby-boomers?   
post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
Just a correction... I think that the new tips may be called "Flow Ride" not Fluid Ride"  - I saw some videos online and got another look at them.
post #15 of 23
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So, looks like Head went from John Lennon to Johnny Moseley in their ski name inspiration?   That whole Rock-n-Roll theme was confusing to me, who were they trying to reach?  Aging baby-boomers?   
Unclear if Johnny is Moseley. Could be Cash. Since they have a Jerry next season; given the graphics, has gotta be Garcia. Now where's Janice when we need her? And FWIW, my students (and some current groups their age) are more into 60's-70's rock than most of us boomers. 
post #16 of 23
Ding,Ding, Ding, Flow Ride is correct 500 Bonus Points!

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Just a correction... I think that the new tips may be called "Flow Ride" not Fluid Ride"  - I saw some videos online and got another look at them.
 
post #17 of 23
It definetly is not Moseley! The rep. told me but i can't remeber which Johnny it is!

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Unclear if Johnny is Moseley. Could be Cash. Since they have a Jerry next season; given the graphics, has gotta be Garcia. Now where's Janice when we need her? And FWIW, my students (and some current groups their age) are more into 60's-70's rock than most of us boomers. 

 
post #18 of 23
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It definetly is not Moseley! The rep. told me but i can't remeber which Johnny it is! Since people think the Graphics are such a joke maybe it's Johnny Carson!

 



 
post #19 of 23
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It definetly is not Moseley! The rep. told me but i can't remeber which Johnny it is!

Funny, because (unlike Johnny Cash) Johnny Moseley has been spotted a few times on a pair of Head Mojo 94 (I guess the guy can ski any ski as long as it is a Head).   I'm glad to hear that the graphics is again hideous, more discounted good skis for us (although John was not too bad).  
post #20 of 23
It's none of those..

IT'S JOHN THE BAPTIST...

Look busy, or you might get baptised.
post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 
 Maybe it's:

John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt - Must be....it's the famous Austrian !

So next time you see someone skiing on these, ya gotta yell:

"Whenever we go out,
The people always shout,
There goes John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt"
post #22 of 23
Maybe people really hated the skis, so they went with Johnny Rotten???
I heard they're perfect for a "Holiday In The Sun"...

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It definetly is not Moseley! The rep. told me but i can't remeber which Johnny it is!

 



 
post #23 of 23

I purchased the Head Peak 88 last year and have really enjoy them.  They are a great on the frontside, backside, bowls, trees, bumps, and groomed.  As far as skiing on light snow like Colorado gets, I would highly recommend these skis.

 

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