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Watea (94 or 101) vs. Stockli VXL

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Looking for opinions. I've always been a stockli guy and have the Scot Schmidts (89mm waist). Me: 6'2" 260 lbs. Solid level 7 - half ass level 8.


I love them in the crud, chop, soft, slush, cream cheese, boot deep, etc. I also enjoy them on groomed because they have the stockli edge hold. Not crazy about them on steep boilerplate because you really have to go stupid fast to get them on edge and I'm not that comfy going that fast on boilerplate. They suck on ice if you ski them flat. The boilerplate doesn't bother me because I wouldn't use them for that anyway. And, they totally suck in bumps. They have been my daily driver here in the north east for the past two seasons. But the problem is they really tire you out if you're not bombing on them all the time.

I'm considering getting the vxl next season as a more forgiving schmidt type ski. But, I've heard great things about the Watea 94 and 101. This would be my ski for the conditions that I love the schmidt for but wouldn't kick my ass if I ski them all day or if I don't ski them and mach 10 all the time.
 

Thanks in advance!

Johnny  

post #2 of 17
I'm also a big guy and have the Watea 101 in a 192cm.

The 101 is a very good powder ski and has enough edge-hold for groomers. It will lack the beefy feel you have with the Stockli skis. However, the Watea will function well at lower speeds.

I would broaden your search. I have a beefy ski for firm snow and the Watea and two other skis for powder. Trying to find ease of use, strong edge-grip and all mountain versatility in one ski is a tall order for big guys like us.

Michael
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 


Thanks!


I'm definitely not looking for a do it all ski. I want a crud buster, cream cheese, and spring slop ski that can blast thru but not be as demanding a the schmidt. I don't care about ice of firm snow because I have other skis for those.

The northeast often has a lot of variable snow so that is why I'm looking at  these skis.

The one situation that truly sucks is when you have boilerplate at the top and variable/chop down hill. I've yet to find a crudbuster that was also good on boilerplate.
 

Skiing has become like golf. I need a driver for this, a 3 wood for that, etc.
 

Johnny

post #4 of 17
 190 Katana, you wont try it but I could out ski a clone myself in the conditions you describe if the clone was on the fishers and I was on the katana.
post #5 of 17

You might like the Elan 1010.  More of a charger than the Watea.  I cant speak for the 101, but the 94 is great in new snow but can get knocked around in crud/chop.

 

I skied it this week in Utah:  corduroy, mashed potatoes, dust on crust, new snow.  it did all of these fairly well.  it also was a lot of fun in the bumps.

i've never skied a Stockli and i weigh about 200, so i cant say if this ski is "enough" for you.
but the 94 is not


Some reviews:
http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/90372/elan-1010-alu

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/83357/review-2010-elan-1010-183cm

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/88733/2010-wider-skis-dynastar-huge-and-pro-rider-blizzard-arogs-rossi-s7-elan-1010
 

post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
I would try it. Is it a fairly stiff ski?

Johnny
post #7 of 17
 The Elan 1010 is the same ski as the katana except elan forgot to rocker it or put metal into it. so its kinda of stiff its a good ski but it does nothing better than the ski that Elan ripped off.
post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 

BW, I'm 6'2" 260 lbs. I don't want a noodle but definitely want softer than the SS.

 

Johnny

post #9 of 17
The VXL has a shovel that is much softer than the mid body.The tail is similar in it's definition. You can pressure this ski into  very short turns by pressuring the middle and engaging the tip and tail at the same time. The resultant reaction to  the shortening of the turn radius is addictive and very powerful when timed well.
Having a stout midsection this ski rewards a center balanced skiing style ,can take high speed with confidence and working the ski offers a lot of versatility  Two I shared these with spoke of leaving town with these with regret but wanting to enjoy the ride they offer.  I think they were kidding but loved these skis.
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
Garryz, have you ever skied the scot schmidt? curious as to how they compare.


Johnny
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by johnnysdg View Post

Garryz, have you ever skied the scot schmidt? curious as to how they compare.


Johnny
No.but Noodler has tried and owned some Stocki skis  including a couple forms of the Stormrider series. XL and VXL,l believe. . Maybe he can help with this comparison
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

 The Elan 1010 is the same ski as the katana except elan forgot to rocker it or put metal into it. so its kinda of stiff its a good ski but it does nothing better than the ski that Elan ripped off.

Uh, the 1010 has two sheets of titanium plus an aluminum topsheet (full name is "1010 Alu), according to Elan's website. No rocker until next year. 
post #13 of 17
I happen to own both the VXL and the Watea 84 and 94. For crud busting, the VXL would be better, but, the best crud ski I have been on would be the Volkl AC50. It will also ski hard/icy snow very well. I've also heard good things about similar conditions for the Volkl Grizzly.
However, neither of these skis are good for me because I only weigh 155#s.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by johnnysdg View Post

BW, I'm 6'2" 260 lbs. I don't want a noodle but definitely want softer than the SS.

 

Johnny


yep thats why I said get the 190 heck you could probablt even ski the 197 but then you become very limited by the lenght of the ski in trees.
post #15 of 17
get katanas instead
test the 190 and 197 and pick whatever better for you. won't be dissapointed
grizzly if less snow
post #16 of 17
     Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnysdg View Post


I'm considering getting the vxl next season as a more forgiving schmidt type ski. But, I've heard great things about the Watea 94 and 101. This would be my ski for the conditions that I love the schmidt for but wouldn't kick my ass if I ski them all day or if I don't ski them and mach 10 all the time.


I have exchanged some PMs with Johnny.  Basically I would also describe the VXL as a more forgiving SS Pro.  Given Johnny's satisfaction with the Stockli feel and performance, the VXL is the safest bet IMO (without the "luxury" of a demo before purchase).

It's been a few years since I've ridden any of the Wateas, but I recall them pretty much having the exact opposite on-snow feel as compared to these Stocklis.  I wouldn't describe the Wateas as being damp and stable feeling - they're more light-n-lively IIRC.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks again Noodler. I wish I could demo but its near impossible.

I almost did last year in vail. I demoed the SS pro (101mm) in the morning and when I went back for thev vxl they were out.

I did try the xxl and thought they were very good but didn't like the iso core.

Johnny
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