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Dynastar Mythic rider as a BC ski?

post #1 of 21
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I am putting together a beginner backcountry setup, and I am thinking of mounting Dukes on my old Mythic Rider skis.  (I still occasionally use them at the resort, hence the Dukes).   My question- is that a good BC ski? For those who do not know Mythics- they are a stiff 88mm waisted straight-ish sidecut ski that is an excellent crudbuster, is great in spring snow, and is super-stable.    It is not the lightest ski and with heavy Dukes it will make for a heavy setup.  Am I making a mistake? Will I be better selling the Mythics and getting a lighter fatter ski instead?    I ski in the Tahoe region (my resort is Squaw), so my BC activity would hopefully be around Tahoe as well. 

Alex
post #2 of 21
Alex, I don't do enough AT to qualify as an expert, but I do feel like weight is a critical factor.  My setup is ultra light (Naxo nx-02 on Atomic Sweet Daddy skis) and it sure is a lot nicer to climb with than some heavier gear I borrowed a couple seasons ago (Dukes on a wider heavier ski, can't remember which ski).  Mythics are not super heavy in my opinion, and shouldn't be too too bad.  But I think you should decide where the performance priority is -- ascent or descent -- and let that guide your decision.  If ascent, go as light as possible and you will appreciate it.  If more concerned about preserving resort-like skiing on the descent, then go with a ski you trust and a lower, stouter binding.  Some of the older AT bindings definitely feel spindly underfoot and it's like skiing on high heels at first (I got used to it pretty quickly).  So I think the bottom line is prioritizing uphill or downhill, and then realizing that the secondary factor will be a compromise.
post #3 of 21
 Do you have skins for the Mythics?  I think the Mythics will ski fine, but as you say they aren't the lightest setup out there.  I've got 60+ days on a Mythic this year with the PX-12 demo binding and think they are heavy.  I like the ski.  I don't mind extra weight on my feet, but I don't tour as much as I used to and I prioritize the down.  If I was throwing down for skins, I might look for something lighter and fatter.  There was another thread yesterday about a screaming deal on the Fischer Watea 101.
post #4 of 21
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 I don;t tour enough to need a dedicated setup, my idea is to take one of my "quiver" skis and add a touring option to them, hence the initial idea for Dukes.   Do you guys think that Mythics would be adequate for BC sking at 88mm.  I like them a lot in everything but
pure powder.  I guess you don't get to ski pure powder in Tahoe BC due to avalanche danger...

Any recommendations for the skins for the Mythics? 

Alex
post #5 of 21
 Any ski with a Duke or, even better, a Baron will be a good resort ski.  My question is...  Do you want to invest the money in specialized bindings and skins on the Mythic?  I would do the Watea 101 in a heartbeat over the Mythic as a backcountry ski.  The Mythic will work, the Watea will work better IMO.  What else are you using in the resort?  I could ski a Watea 101 on any day in the resort and might prefer it to the Mythic that I skied a lot this year.  I choose a Mythic this year over the Watea because I already have a Gotama and didn't want a lot of overlap.  As for skins...  I have always liked Ascension skins.  I also have some BD lowfats and some skins from climbingskinsdirect.com.  They all work pretty well for me.
post #6 of 21
FTR, the forthcoming Marker F10s and 12s are supposed to have the same mounting hole pattern as the Duke/Barons if you choose to shave a few ounces later. One advantage of the 'tweener' and staged approach is you can test the waters with a versatile set up you partially have, that will also have some value later if you want to lighten the whole rig for a dedicated AT rig. I'd think the Mythics would be fine.

I made this Duke/Baron/F10 & 12 template when I mounted my Barons recently. Check it out if it's useful for anybody else....

Regarding skins (and BC tools) we have a couple BD GlideLite Mohair Mix skins (110 and 125mm, which may be too wide for the Mythics) left that I'd rather let go for a good price than sit around all summer.....
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

 I would do the Watea 101 in a heartbeat over the Mythic as a backcountry ski.  The Mythic will work, the Watea will work better IMO.
Dood - he already owns the Mythics, and he already doesn't own Watea 101's, and only wants to know the suitability of the Mythics......
post #8 of 21
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Dood - he already owns the Mythics, and he already doesn't own Watea 101's, and only wants to know the suitability of the Mythics......


Dood - I was just saying that if he's going to drop $350+ on bindings and $100+ on skins for a used ski that he says he hardly even uses anymore, why not sell the Mythics and get something better and brand new for about $200.  He might be able to get close to that, or better, for the Mythics especially if they are mounted.  I said the Mythics are fine and they are, but you are going to re-drill them for the Markers and presumably remove said Markers later after finding out you want something else.  An unmounted ski thats been drilled twice isn't worth much.  If you try and sell skins, skis, and bindings as a package you will likely take a big loss there as well.  The Mythic will work pretty well, but I don't think it will be as easy of a sell as something lighter, fatter, newer, and more current.  Once you trim your new skins they really only work well on the ski they were cut for, so the skins without the ski and binding are about worthless.  Alpinords 110 skins should work great on the Mythics if the price was right.  There's no such thing as a skin too big.  You just cut them down to fit.  Skins that are too small really suck.

So DOOD...  In the first post the question was two parts...  1.  Will the Mythic work?  Answer, Yes.  2.  Would I be better off selling the Mythics and getting something else?  Answer, IMO Yes.  My suggestion for a better ski is the Watea 101 new for about $200
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
Alpinord-  I may be interested in the GL Mohair Mix skins if the price is right.  PM me with more information.   Thnaks in advance, 


Alex


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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post

FTR, the forthcoming Marker F10s and 12s are supposed to have the same mounting hole pattern as the Duke/Barons if you choose to shave a few ounces later. One advantage of the 'tweener' and staged approach is you can test the waters with a versatile set up you partially have, that will also have some value later if you want to lighten the whole rig for a dedicated AT rig. I'd think the Mythics would be fine.

I made this Duke/Baron/F10 & 12 template when I mounted my Barons recently. Check it out if it's useful for anybody else....

Regarding skins (and BC tools) we have a couple BD GlideLite Mohair Mix skins (110 and 125mm, which may be too wide for the Mythics) left that I'd rather let go for a good price than sit around all summer.....
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

Alpinord-  I may be interested in the GL Mohair Mix skins if the price is right.  PM me with more information.   Thnaks in advance, 


Alex


Alex (or anyone),
If you set up an account as EpicSki supporter, you get 10% off of everything in the store. Plus, everything is at least 10% off MSRP to start and the skins are currently discounted 30%, netting 50% off......

Are you going with the Mythics? What's the shovel width? I just cut a pair of 110s for my FX94s and they were just shy, but fine for their shovel. Here's our skin cutting tips.
post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 
 Guys-  Another possibility would be to remount the Dukes onto my current resort ski- Head Mojo 94 (it now has Look PX14 which I like a lot), and sell the Mythics or keep them as rock skis.  Is there any disadvantage to Dukes over the PX14 for resort use.  For my daily driver ski I don't want to loose resort performance for an occasional backcountry trip possibility.

 

Alex

P.S. My current active quiver is Mojo94 and a Huge Trouble for pow days.  Mythic is my "spare" ski, or a "ski that I do not use anymore but still like too much to sell"...
 

post #12 of 21
I've skied a few days in a variety of conditions and terrain with my Barons (on new skis) and did not notice any performance downside compared to Axial 2s on my Legends. YMMV. I like the versatility and broad range of options with the set up....aside from weight for longer touring.
post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 
 I think PX14s weight alomost as much as Dukes (LOOKs are heavy bundings, but burly and great, so I am not complaining).  Any durability issues with Dukes (black, 2007-2009 vintage)?

ALex
 
post #14 of 21
BSing with a shop friend:
"I was comparing notes with another shop's tech and friend and we just haven't seen many Duke or Baron problems...Fritschi and Naxos, however....."

I forgot to mention that the Barons and Dukes lay flatter than the Looks. Heel to toe is lower by at least 1° for my 298 boot sole. They are also higher above the ski.
post #15 of 21
 I like my Dukes.  I'd like them better if they were Barons.  I think I could ski them everyday in the resort and know lots of people who do.  I would probably mount the Dukes on either of your other skis rather than the Mythics.  I like my Mythics and will miss them when I have to give them back in a few days, but will have something better for next year.  The Mythics would make awesome rockers.  I think on any new fatter resort skis that I buy, I will probably get an AT binding like a Baron.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post
  I would probably mount the Dukes on either of your other skis rather than the Mythics.  I like my Mythics and will miss them when I have to give them back in a few days, but will have something better for next year.  The Mythics would make awesome rockers.  

Yeah, Remounting the Mojos is what I've been thinking more and more lately...  You'd prefer Barons because of the weight advantage, right?

Alex

P.S.   Mythic is almost too good of a ski to be a rocker...  Just curious, what are you getting next year? 

 

 

post #17 of 21
 All my skis are rock skis.  I'm leaning towards an S7 188 or maybe bigger, because they ski short.  I really liked them when I demoed them this year.  I might try and get on the Dynastar 6th Sense tomorrow after reading Dawgcatchers review.  I'm 5'10 165 lbs and typically ski on a DIN setting around 9.  I don't need a binding that goes to 15 like the Duke, so I prefer the lighter DIN 12 Baron.
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post
.  I might try and get on the Dynastar 6th Sense tomorrow after reading Dawgcatchers review.  

 6th Sense Huge or Slicer?  
post #19 of 21
Going back to the original question...

Isn't the Mythic more or less the current incarnation of the "old" Inspired by Nobis?  I think so.

If so, my wife is using exactly that ski as her backcountry ski and has for four years.  It's a great ski for handling just about any kind of conditions you might run into in the backcountry and she loves hers.  I don't think they are inordinately heavy, but she's got Fritschis on hers.

I think it would make a very good bc ski. 

(Not wild about the Dukes as a bc binding, however, unless you will seldom skin with them. I own a pair and I think they make a MUCH better alpine binding than an alpine TOURING binding)
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
 Guys, wouldn't the Legend Pro Rider be a better mixed BC/Resort ski then Mythic when mounted with Dukes?  
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 
 Done.  I am getting a pair of this year's LPRs, I always wanted to have this ski, but never quite thought I have the skills to use it to full advantage.  After demoing, I was convinced.  LPR/Dukes should be an awesome resort/BC combo. 
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