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Phantom Rotary??

post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
Last night I was skiing with a Green PMTS instructor who had been to my race camp. I noticed that she used the "Phantom Move"(do I need to put a copywrite sign here?)pretty instictivly. It appeared to me that tucking the heel in was done with kind of a rotary move like you'd make when you twist your skis side to side while sitting on the chairlift. It also occurred to me that the kinetic chain moves the knee inward. Of course the only way that can happen is if the femure rotates in it's socket.

What do you think?
post #2 of 7
SLATZ,

Everyone associated with PMTS, Harb included, says there is internal rotation of the femur within it's hip socket.

The pulling of the heel back is a posterior/medial movement. It is not an anterior/ lateral movement as in conventional steering.

Properly done, you should not see the knees together. There should be a distinct space between the knees as a result of tipping to the little toe edge.

[ December 02, 2003, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: Rick H ]
post #3 of 7
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Thanks Rick
post #4 of 7
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The pulling of the heel back is a posterior/medial movement. It is not an anterior/ lateral movement as in conventional steering.
Correct me if I am wrong Rick but aren't you saying that conventional steering is shoving the forward (scissors move) and twisting the foot to the outside?

To me conventional steering is more like a posterior lateral movement.
post #5 of 7
Pierre,

Forgive me, but I don't use conventional steering. I haven't since 1996, or so. Isn't steering a lateral twisting of the skis in the direction of choice? Or is it tip right to turn right? Perhaps we are getting to the point where we are all using the same movements to make the skis turn. Having been involved with PMTS since 1997, or so, I have developed a certain outlook on conventional skiing/teaching. Since the EpicSki Academy last year, I am adjusting my outlook. We teach and ski very similarly. We just have different approaches to the same outcome; getting down the hill.

So, forgive me if I make some blunders. They are unintentional.
post #6 of 7
Rick H, you could be right about the using the same types of movements with different lingo. To look at your question might help:
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Isn't steering a lateral twisting of the skis in the direction of choice?
No; Steering is the sum of all movements necessary to guide the skis side by each though the turn. Lateral twisting is either pivoting or attempting to pivot on a locked edge (ouch on the knees!). [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #7 of 7
I don't know about the definitions, however, HH was at the lunch table next to Bob B and six PSIA members today. Thought we might pull the tables together and all break bread since it was the xmas season.

I thought wrong! :

Couldn't he have just tossed up a hand and said howdy?

Maybe lifted or lightened a leg a waved a phantom foot at us?

He was out free skiing and I do like the way the guy skis. I do have to say it is reminiscant of a canadian style with very "rounded" shoulders. He creates great angles and is very dynamic.
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