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Skis for a guy who fell in love with 2009 K2 Lotta Luvs?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

The obvious answer: if you love the ski, get it. But of course he can't ski on women's skis...

He considers himself an expert skier but hasn't made the transition into shaped skis (if you look at him skiing you'd expect to see a pair of straight skis under him even tho he is in fact on a pair of shaped skis). He mostly likes to ski long GS type turns at moderate speed but occasionally wants to go fast. He does most of his skiing in groomed runs. He really liked my 2009 Lottas (170 cm) but not my Stöckli Spirit Globes (164 cm). Stöcklis felt too unstable at higher speeds or in uneven snow and he was wondering how I could ski so fast with them (we don't have very much difference in weight so that shouldn't be the problem, maybe it's his technique?)

Any ideas what skis he should demo?

post #2 of 26
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Originally Posted by Skise View Post

Stöcklis felt too unstable at higher speeds or in uneven snow and he was wondering how I could ski so fast with them (we don't have very much difference in weight so that shouldn't be the problem, maybe it's his technique?)


Can't help ya with the main question, but for this one, I'm guessing a lower center of gravity (shoulders vs. hips), or perhaps you have more leg strength.
post #3 of 26
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Originally Posted by Skise View Post

The obvious answer: if you love the ski, get it. But of course he can't ski on women's skis...

He considers himself an expert skier but hasn't made the transition into shaped skis (if you look at him skiing you'd expect to see a pair of straight skis under him even tho he is in fact on a pair of shaped skis). He mostly likes to ski long GS type turns at moderate speed but occasionally wants to go fast. He does most of his skiing in groomed runs. He really liked my 2009 Lottas (170 cm) but not my Stöckli Spirit Globes (164 cm). Stöcklis felt too unstable at higher speeds or in uneven snow and he was wondering how I could ski so fast with them (we don't have very much difference in weight so that shouldn't be the problem, maybe it's his technique?)

Any ideas what skis he should demo?

And why not-if he's comfortable with them? Who's going to know that they're women skis besides the very small fraction of the market that follows the K2 line? Answer no one...plus, you got to get over the issue of how much people actually notice about people around them. We are all hung up with what WE look like to others
post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 
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And why not-if he's comfortable with them?
 


He's not comfortable with the fact that they are women's skis and they look like women's skis (this winter's Lottas might be a different thing, the graphics are more neutral - or not, because it might be enough that HE knows they are women's skis). He's the kind of guy that doesn't wear red, purple or light blue because it's "girly" and was looking at some of K2's Apaches (Recons?) and asking: "why do they have to be red?". He still has his 195 cm straight slalom skis (and God knows how long downhill skis he used for speed skiing) and he thinks they are perfectly good skis but what would everyone think if he actually skied with them... so they stay in his garage. So he wants street credible (or perhaps slope credible :D ) skis that he likes.
post #5 of 26
K2 outlaws might be a good fit, they are are soft but stable from moderate to high speeds, if you don't get on them too much (they will fold like a taco if you try and arc them on hard snow)
post #6 of 26
Your friend...yea, right. You should try the Volkl AC30...oh yea, tell your "friend" to man up.

I and a whole bunch of other Males, would notice in a instant, you, Oh sorry, He was on girl's skis.

:)
post #7 of 26
Welcome to Epic; a lot of great advice,eh!?

He should probably try the Recon or the Xplorer. The biggest difference in construction between the T-9(women's) and the Apache(men's) skis is the Bio Flex core in the T-9s which make the skis slightly softer and lighter in the tips, as well as, the mounting point is1-2cms forward of the Apaches.
There is no shortage of very good skis out there, he will probably need to try a few more.
Some (170 cm) options might be the softer and/or lighter or more damp choices would  be the Stockli Stormrider XL or XXL, Fischer Watea 78 or 84, Dynastar Sultan 80 or 85

Others to consider would be Nordica Nitrous(78) or Afterburner(84) or Nordica HR pro Fuel(78) or Burner(84) and the Kastle MX78.

 A little different choice might be the Salomon Lord.

Good Hunting!!
post #8 of 26
I ended up with some girls skis this year.

Me, 61 year old male, 5' 1" tall, 135 pounds. I hurt both of my knees early this ski season,
not on the snow, but a bad motocross bike crash. Well, no more bikes, and now I take it
a lot easier on the slopes.

I really needed something a little softer because I am skiing a little slower now, with my bum legs, so I tried the Fischer Koa 84's @ 150 cm. These skis are HOT. They are just right for me.

I don't think the Koa's look too girlie but I really don't care.

Read the  full review on http://www.realskiers.com/ .
("one of the highest scoring Fischers we've tested. Our skiers absolutely loved it. "This is a really great all mountain ski—good in all conditions." and "one of my favorite skis of the test.")

I have always had a problem finding the right skis, being so short and light weight, but I think
this is my best match yet.
post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post

Your friend...yea, right. You should try the Volkl AC30...oh yea, tell your "friend" to man up.

I and a whole bunch of other Males, would notice in a instant, you, Oh sorry, He was on girl's skis.

:)
 

Well, I am a girl and bought those Lottas because they looked cute - oh, and they turned out to be nice to ski too.
post #10 of 26
Actually, I know two different men who are light in weight who ski on women's skis and they are definitely NOT gay and they definitely do not care what you think about the fact that they are skiing women's skis.  Not all the skis they own are women's skis, just a pair here and there that they happen to like.  
post #11 of 26
My husband loves his Apache Recons....he's no girly man although I prefer my girlie Atomic graphics with the pink bases. It takes a real man to wear pink and it takes a real man to ski in the right skis, even if those skis are women's skis!
post #12 of 26
It sounds like he's dead-set against it, which is fine, people make these choices for all kinds of reasons that sometimes make sense and sometimes don't.

The one that puzzles me is not using the straight skis if they work for him, do what he want etc. I don't use them, but when I see someone who does, I don't think "what a square." I think "he knows what he's doing."
post #13 of 26
I'm a woman and I love my Recons.  I do wish that companies would just make skis for weight ranges and give up this girly graphics business. 

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My husband loves his Apache Recons....he's no girly man although I prefer my girlie Atomic graphics with the pink bases. It takes a real man to wear pink and it takes a real man to ski in the right skis, even if those skis are women's skis!
post #14 of 26
I don't know why they put graphics on skis at all, but I'm stodgy ...
post #15 of 26
OK, another opinion..
I love my woman's ski - Volkl Aurora - and, they don't look too girly at all..
On the other hand, if they had been too girly but I loved the way they skied, I'd have spray painted over the graphics w/ something I'd rather look at..
Been done b4 - not by me, but it's been done.
Guys can spray paint too.  
post #16 of 26
Weight ranges or better yet flex ratings, do like race stock skis and put the flex rating on the ski and off the same ski in different flex ratings. I woulld love to have a stiffer version of my Outlaws.

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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I'm a woman and I love my Recons.  I do wish that companies would just make skis for weight ranges and give up this girly graphics business. 
 


 
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I'm a woman and I love my Recons.  I do wish that companies would just make skis for weight ranges and give up this girly graphics business. 

 



 


Yea! Skis for weight ranges. Me too.
post #18 of 26
Did that once  when I was trying to stay off Ski patrol radar, switched jackets and helmet, and painted my skis at lunch.
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Originally Posted by windy View Post

OK, another opinion..
I love my woman's ski - Volkl Aurora - and, they don't look too girly at all..
On the other hand, if they had been too girly but I loved the way they skied, I'd have spray painted over the graphics w/ something I'd rather look at..
Been done b4 - not by me, but it's been done.
Guys can spray paint too.  

 
post #19 of 26
Lotta Luvs are the women's version of the Recon.  Perhaps he should demo the Recon.
post #20 of 26
In addition to flex, I think women's skis typically put the bindings a bit further forward - a centimeter or centimeter and a half. This is to account for differences in body mass distribution between men and women and is intended to keep proper pressure on the front of the skis. I don't know how much it matters in practice. But I wouldn't buy women's skis unless I was completely sold on them because I'd be worried about differences like this that I might overlook in a short test period.

As for graphics, I really think that all skis - at least all higher price skis - should have a "no graphics" option where it's just some solid color with the make, model and length and that's it.
post #21 of 26
I'd think incorporating a slide adjustment and markings into the system binding set up would accommodate for a men's or women's set up and certainly neutral graphics (without the flowers or boobs) would make most skis acceptable to both sides of the fence. 

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Originally Posted by Keith Jordan View Post

In addition to flex, I think women's skis typically put the bindings a bit further forward - a centimeter or centimeter and a half. This is to account for differences in body mass distribution between men and women and is intended to keep proper pressure on the front of the skis. I don't know how much it matters in practice. But I wouldn't buy women's skis unless I was completely sold on them because I'd be worried about differences like this that I might overlook in a short test period.

As for graphics, I really think that all skis - at least all higher price skis - should have a "no graphics" option where it's just some solid color with the make, model and length and that's it.
post #22 of 26
Hey Straightliner..
Dumped the law, eh? Good for you!!  
post #23 of 26
Per sibhusky, I think boobs would be just as popular for men's skis as for womens.  Perhaps even more so.

Per the original question, your friend just needs to try out some other skis.  Sure he's going to like your Lotta Luv's if he's never skied on anything made in this century.  If he tries the Recon's or Explorer's and still likes yours better, then try a "manlier" ski that is more forgiving.  In my limited experience, if you can imagine a kind of ski, someone makes it.  You just have to find it.
post #24 of 26
Finding proper ski size and flex is a problem because of my small size and weight.
I am not an aggressive skier but ski all east coast pretty well. My powder experience is very limited. My out west skiing is mostly summer glacier skiing on Mt Hood.

Just saying, people my size are in between sizes and most men's skis are too long and or too stiff. Some of the women's skis are just right.

I do paint skis, when necessary. I really like skies that are one color and may have some brush strokes and chipped paint.
post #25 of 26
Thread Starter 

I solved his ski problem. I saw a pair of new 2008 Lottas at a sports store for less than 300e (people sell them used for 350e). Seems to be the same ski as 2009 version but different graphics, much more neutral. So he is now a happy owner of women's skis. He also bought himself a new pair of boots to replace his 20 yo Salomons. He was starting to worry they might fall into pieces while skiing.

post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by Skise View Post

I solved his ski problem. I saw a pair of new 2008 Lottas at a sports store for less than 300e (people sell them used for 350e). Seems to be the same ski as 2009 version but different graphics, much more neutral. So he is now a happy owner of women's skis. He also bought himself a new pair of boots to replace his 20 yo Salomons. He was starting to worry they might fall into pieces while skiing.


Well he should be careful, his 20 year old Salomons might just be better than the new crap they're coming out with...  The new Salomon Quest has already suffered a major toepiece recall, and had widespread reportings of buckles breaking while buckling and also the walk mode has been known to snap off with only a minor hit.  Just a heads up.     
 

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