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Snowboarder dies in crevasse on Mt Hood after ducking ropes

post #1 of 21
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Tragic news after snowboarder ducks ropes. Article says "out of bounds" and link says "backcountry", but incident was in a roped off area within the resort boundaries.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/backcounty_snowboarder_dies_at.html
 
post #2 of 21

For some unknown reason, I just received a couple of free unsolicited issues of SKI magazine in the mail. I have always considered this a lame publication, but I could not help but read them. One issue had a cover story entitled "Your Next Frontier, the Sidecountry," with info on gear, ski techniques, etc.  The article talked about how many ski areas are now opening gated access to their sidecountry, and characterized it as a great opportunity.  The death at Mt. Hood sounds like it resulted from exactly the kind of activity the article was encouraging.

The incident was an unfortunate tragedy, but is probably a harbinger of things to come.

 

post #3 of 21
Heather Canyon is *not* sidecountry, much less backcountry.  It's a gate controlled section of the ski area, but definitely inbounds.  However one thing confuses me, the article states:
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Krukowski had been snowboarding with friends in an out-of-bounds area marked with ropes as a hazard in the Heather Canyon section of Meadows Ski Resort, said a sheriff's spokesman, Detective Matt English.

Where is there a roped off, 100% closed area in Heather canyon?  Can anybody think of where they're talking about here?  I obviously don't ski Meadows much since I left PDX, so maybe my memory's just failing me, but I can't think of where they'd be talking about.

So mudfoot, no need to fear-monger about accessing sidecountry as that has nothing to do with this incident, assuming the details in the article are correct.
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by jaobrien6 View Post

Heather Canyon is *not* sidecountry, much less backcountry.  It's a gate controlled section of the ski area, but definitely inbounds.  However one thing confuses me, the article states:
 


Where is there a roped off, 100% closed area in Heather canyon?  Can anybody think of where they're talking about here?  I obviously don't ski Meadows much since I left PDX, so maybe my memory's just failing me, but I can't think of where they'd be talking about.

So mudfoot, no need to fear-monger about accessing sidecountry as that has nothing to do with this incident, assuming the details in the article are correct.
 
There are 2 areas at the bottom of Heather Canyon, and at the bottom of Clark Canyon that are roped off. Both of these areas have flowing water. The concensus is that this incident probably occured in the area in Clark Canyon. It cliffs out quickly if you don't know the area, and aren't paying attention. This unlucky boarder probably fell victim to both. Just beacause it is inbounds does not make it a necessarily safe area. As we have see earlier this year Clark is capable of funneling MASSIVE slides that start outside the permit area, and outside of avalanch control.
People have a tendency to take Hood lightly because of it's proximity to Portland, and the relatively tame terrain inside the ski areas. But just like any other place their are dangers if you don't know what you are doing. When I drop into Heather, and Clark I like to raise my level of awareness.
post #5 of 21
Ok, I think I remember where you're talking about.

Yeah, I don't mean to make light of potential dangers in Heather and Clark canyon, but I didn't like how the first response to the thread was basically "see, this is what happens when ski areas open up gates to the sidecountry" because that has nothing to do with this situation.
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Originally Posted by jaobrien6 View Post

Heather Canyon is *not* sidecountry, much less backcountry.  It's a gate controlled section of the ski area, but definitely inbounds. 

So mudfoot, no need to fear-monger about accessing sidecountry as that has nothing to do with this incident, assuming the details in the article are correct.
 


"The sheriff's office said the snowboarder … apparently fell through the crevasse, hit his head and landed in the creek." 
  
"Krukowski had been snowboarding with friends in an out-of-bounds area marked with ropes as a hazard in the Heather Canyon section of Meadows Ski Resort..."

Sure sounds like sidecountry to me.  Do they have 40-foot in-bounds crevasses?

I am not "fearmongering," just commenting on what I have been seeing on-area and in the backcountry the last few years.  As someone who has spent quite a bit of time in the mountains in the winter, I have some understanding of the dangers, and consequently I am not in favor of encouraging unprepared and uneducated riders to explore the "next frontier."  I view the opening of backcountry access gates as a good thing, but turning the "Duke generation" loose in those areas will have its consequences.
 
 
 

post #7 of 21
The sherrifs office used innacurate terminology to describe this area of the mountain. The area in question where he fell is not sidecountry. It's inbounds of the Mt Hood meadows permit area. There are no crevasses. There are snow covered cliffs, and a waterfall that is running at the moment. My picture indicates where this happened.

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post #8 of 21
I guess if you are skiing in a roped off area, you can't really blame anybody but yourself for any misfortune that may befall you.  Call the tune; pay the piper.   Not the same as gate-accessed side country.

PS.  We don't need no schtinking gates.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

The sherrifs office used innacurate terminology to describe this area of the mountain. The area in question where he fell is not sidecountry. It's inbounds of the Mt Hood meadows permit area. There are no crevasses. There are snow covered cliffs, and a waterfall that is running at the moment.
 

Is it the Sherrif's office or the paper that uses inaccurate terminology? 
post #10 of 21
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I would assume that both of them are completely clueless.
post #11 of 21
We skied this area of Clark Canyon just 2 weeks ago, Accordion Bowl, there were no ropes anywhere near the top of Accordion Bowl or "the nose" the big cliff to skiers left of the bowl. One thing was very different though; the slide must have taken all the snow away, down to the bare ground in Accordion Bowl because I have never seen so many rocks and trees in the bowl proper, (with a 100" base) in over 15 years of skiing it, the slide changed the whole dynamics of Clark/Heather Canyon.
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

The sherrifs office used innacurate terminology to describe this area of the mountain. The area in question where he fell is not sidecountry. It's inbounds of the Mt Hood meadows permit area. There are no crevasses. There are snow covered cliffs, and a waterfall that is running at the moment. My picture indicates where this happened.

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post #12 of 21

The one that bothered me the most was the person that died landing head first in the snow and suffocated.

post #13 of 21
Sorry this happened for him and for those who love him.

If you duck a rope, you are making a conscious decision to ignore a warning.
post #14 of 21
Until we can find out exactly where this happened it's all speculation. BUT from someone who skis Heather and Clark on a regular basis, there is no roped off area's once you go through one of the gates for Heather Canyon. I think between the non skiing Sheriff and media they have confused things by not differentiating between a regulated gated area and a closed area.

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Sorry this happened for him and for those who love him.

If you duck a rope, you are making a conscious decision to ignore a warning.
 
post #15 of 21
Are you trying to be exact with the location of your red circle? Or are you just pointing out Heather canyon, (Clark actually)?

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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

The sherrifs office used innacurate terminology to describe this area of the mountain. The area in question where he fell is not sidecountry. It's inbounds of the Mt Hood meadows permit area. There are no crevasses. There are snow covered cliffs, and a waterfall that is running at the moment. My picture indicates where this happened.

E9C90F3E3D364357BE3B1FD36D6A6470.jpg

 
post #16 of 21
I'm assuming the accident happened much lower in Heather, probably somewhere below God's Wall maybe...in the run out area?


From MHM...

http://www.skihood.com/Community-and-News/Meadows-Blog


For the second time this season we post a blog addressing such unfortunate news. In this case it is especially tragic, as Levi’s last run led him under a closed area rope and ultimately over a waterfall.
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by k2skier View Post

I'm assuming the accident happened much lower in Heather, probably somewhere below God's Wall maybe...in the run out area?


From MHM...

http://www.skihood.com/Community-and-News/Meadows-Blog


For the second time this season we post a blog addressing such unfortunate news. In this case it is especially tragic, as Levi’s last run led him under a closed area rope and ultimately over a waterfall.

You got your answer. From the meadows blog. It was the areas below Half Moon that is pretty much always roped off. Just like it was today.
post #18 of 21
In regards to the blog and rule 6, it's hard for me to blame someone for ducking a rope; one of my favourite runs required ducking a rope and skiing over a cliff (parts of it were just enough less than vertical that you could bomb it straight down without tipping over), a rope put up to keep people from accidentally falling off the cliff.  As it was explained to me by a friend of the management/owners they would be liable were it not for the rope, but they really didn't care if you wanted to ski the cliff.  You can't just leave a cliff unprotected.  (maybe he was just some random stranger who lied to me so he could see someone ski off a cliff ).  However, if you get hurt beyond a rope that you ducked, it's your fault and nobody else's, and if you live after getting hurt beyond a rope that you ducked YOU have to crawl back out.  The rope is there for a reason or maybe more reasons than one; you should be well aware of what those reasons are.
post #19 of 21
Yes, I just saw their response. I knew it wasn't near Accordion Bowl, don't go to the 1/2 Moon Bowl area too often, (from Twilight to 1/2 Moon is now almost a gaper area with all the traffic...) we spend more time in Heather Woods and PR.

Add- I skied Heather for the first time in 1985, that's 25, not 15 years of Heather experience.

It's still sad, and dumb...

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You got your answer. From the meadows blog. It was the areas below Half Moon that is pretty much always roped off. Just like it was today.
 
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post #21 of 21
There was a troller overlooking someone taking some pics of the location yesterday. It's sad because I usually take the line next to that rope line on my way out of that side of the canyon to avoid the crowd.
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