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What do you think about Salomon bindings?

post #1 of 23
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I got the following Salomon N610 B80 Alpine bindings on a huge discount.  Does anyone know anything about the following bindings or whether these bindings are any good?

http://www.skiessentials.com/browse.cfm/4,2484.html
http://www.geek.com/shop/pg-product/?pid=747096583


I am completely new to skiing. I just got skis for next season and these bindings.  While I don't need anything fancy for now, I don't want to cheap out on bindings either or underestimate myself.  Can someone explain the bindings technology in these bindings and whether these are suitable?


I can also get these at a significant discount as well:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/Salomon-710-B80-Ski-Binding-NIB-786407_W0QQitemZ200438517322QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2eab110e4a#ht_1221wt_940

http://www.evogear.com/outlet/alpine-ski-bindings/salomon-710-2008.aspx


I think these are 2008 models, but I don't know if that really matters or not.
post #2 of 23
Salmon bindings really start to smell after a few weeks. 
post #3 of 23
They are lower end bindings, but if you're new to skiing then they'll be just fine. Being a 2008 model does not matter. I've got bindings from the late 80s and 90s that work just fine.

The only reasons to go for more expensive bindings is if :

1: you are prereleasing (i.e. you foot pops out when it's not meant to)
2: the DIN settings don't go high enough (shouldn't be a problem as you're just starting so unless you're way over 200lbs then your DIN will probably be somewhere between 4 and 8)
3: you keep breaking the bindings (more expensive higher DIN bindings tend to have more metal and less plastic but unless you're skiing fairly hard, the plastic should be just fine)

There are way too many people who buy higher end, higher DIN bindings just to look hardcore. If you need those bindings then you know it and don't need to ask. Too many newbies do this and that's when you can say bye bye to your ACL or similar.
post #4 of 23

What do you think about Salomon bindings?

After personally witnessing three leg fractures in a year on Solomon bindings where the binding should have released but didn't, I swore off ever skiing on them.

Yes, this is anecdotal, but at this point if I used them and had an incident I'd never be able to forgive myself.  So, they remain at the end of the Z list.  YMMV.

post #5 of 23
Out of interest, what model bindings were they? I've always found salomon the most reliable bindings. After prerelease with Tyrolias, Atomics and Markers (DIN set at 11-13 but releasing like a Salomon on 5 or 6), I only use Salomons or Rossis now.
post #6 of 23
Damn you for editing your thread title!
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post

What do you think about Salomon bindings?

After personally witnessing three leg fractures in a year on Solomon bindings where the binding should have released but didn't, I swore off ever skiing on them.

Yes, this is anecdotal, but at this point if I used them and had an incident I'd never be able to forgive myself.  So, they remain at the end of the Z list.  YMMV.

This is ludicrous. I use STH16's set at a din of 10 on my Blog's. I have never had anything other than perfectly smooth releases when the situation called for it.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by philm View Post

Out of interest, what model bindings were they? I've always found salomon the most reliable bindings. After prerelease with Tyrolias, Atomics and Markers (DIN set at 11-13 but releasing like a Salomon on 5 or 6), I only use Salomons or Rossis now.
 
Salomon makes Atomic's bindings.
post #9 of 23
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Salomon makes Atomic's bindings.


 

Not really. Not if you're talking about Race/Device/Xentrix which are all ESS derivatives. Ditto Neox and XTO. Whether they're now made in a Salomon factory is irrelevant - they have nothing in common with Salomon DESIGNED bindings (9xx, STH, Zxx). Atomic does have rebadged Salomon designed bindings, but somehow I doubt that's what philm meant.
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

This is ludicrous. I use STH16's set at a din of 10 on my Blog's. I have never had anything other than perfectly smooth releases when the situation called for it.

Well, I do have to say that you're using newish, high-end bindings of a venerable design (Driver toe) smack dab in the middle of its DIN range.  That's about as optimal as it can get.

Walt's observations may be of less-than-optimal (and sadly, more-common) setups.  I mean, I have some 912ti's (Driver) that I find very trustworthy, but also a pair of 711's (Quadrax-style) that scare me a bit.  So I wouldn't call it ludicrous, especially since the subject of this thread is all about these lower-end Salomon bindings that are nothing like your STH16's.
post #11 of 23
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Well, I do have to say that you're using newish, high-end bindings of a venerable design (Driver toe) smack dab in the middle of its DIN range.  That's about as optimal as it can get.

Walt's observations may be of less-than-optimal (and sadly, more-common) setups.  I mean, I have some 912ti's (Driver) that I find very trustworthy, but also a pair of 711's (Quadrax-style) that scare me a bit.  So I wouldn't call it ludicrous, especially since the subject of this thread is all about these lower-end Salomon bindings that are nothing like your STH16's.

 

Fair enough then. To the OP.When it comes to "lower end" you can always get ridiculous deals on the Look/Rossi/Dynastar bindings.
post #12 of 23
All bindings less than 5 years old and tested will work just fine for your needs.  As for expert skiers and high end bindings........  Bindings only pre-release due to porr, hercky-jerky ski technique.  When you ski as smooth as silk (like I do) you can set your din at 2 and ski bumps and huge gap jumps with no release issues.



















I'm kidding about the second part by the way
post #13 of 23
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All bindings less than 5 years old and tested will work just fine for your needs.  As for expert skiers and high end bindings........  Bindings only pre-release due to porr, hercky-jerky ski technique.  When you ski as smooth as silk (like I do) you can set your din at 2 and ski bumps and huge gap jumps with no release issues.

Who's in for seeing crgildart clear a double on a pair of Marker M10's set on DIN 2.5?
post #14 of 23

Marker's 10 Contact Control series provides skiers with the performance features needed for control and the right amount of protection for confidence.

Go big or go home.

post #15 of 23
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Any questions?
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Squawker View Post




Not really. Not if you're talking about Race/Device/Xentrix which are all ESS derivatives. Ditto Neox and XTO. Whether they're now made in a Salomon factory is irrelevant - they have nothing in common with Salomon DESIGNED bindings (9xx, STH, Zxx). Atomic does have rebadged Salomon designed bindings, but somehow I doubt that's what philm meant.

 
Thats correct the ESS VAR style race bindings, which prereleased extremely easily standing still doing a kick turn. And yes a shop had adjusted them and I checked them both before and after they prereleased.
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

All bindings less than 5 years old and tested will work just fine for your needs.  As for expert skiers and high end bindings........  Bindings only pre-release due to porr, hercky-jerky ski technique.  When you ski as smooth as silk (like I do) you can set your din at 2 and ski bumps and huge gap jumps with no release issues.



















I'm kidding about the second part by the way
If bindings only release due to poor technique, how come a racer eg. Hermann Maier would run his DIN at around 18. According to the majical DIN chart, no one should have a DIN higher than 10, yet manufacturers make bindings up to 20 (or 30 in Markers case).

In my experience bindings can prerelease due to bad technique, bad binding adjustment and simply skiing fast and aggressively.

As I mentioned earlier, Tyrolias have prereleased on me just cruising down a groomer and Markers prereleased (at 13) just going through a small compression.
post #18 of 23
Thread Starter 
Can you make a recommendation or show me a good deal on one of those bindings and recommend a particular model?  I am always open to comparing other options.  But it sounds like the Salomon bindings I got are good enough.  By the way, can anyone explain the difference between the 710 and the N610 B80 and whether the extra $10 is worth getting the 710.
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Fair enough then. To the OP.When it comes to "lower end" you can always get ridiculous deals on the Look/Rossi/Dynastar bindings.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by blackrain View Post

Can you make a recommendation or show me a good deal on one of those bindings and recommend a particular model?  I am always open to comparing other options.  But it sounds like the Salomon bindings I got are good enough.  By the way, can anyone explain the difference between the 710 and the N610 B80 and whether the extra $10 is worth getting the 710.


 
Any of the PX-12's using the extra 35% off code, if you use Bing cashback you can shave even more off the final price. solid binder for a steal IMO.

Oops..forgot the link http://www.evogear.com/outlet-shop/ski/bindings.aspx
Edited by ecimmortal - 3/23/10 at 9:32pm
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by blackrain View Post

I got the following Salomon N610 B80 Alpine bindings on a huge discount.  Does anyone know anything about the following bindings or whether these bindings are any good?

http://www.skiessentials.com/browse.cfm/4,2484.html
http://www.geek.com/shop/pg-product/?pid=747096583


I am completely new to skiing. I just got skis for next season and these bindings.  While I don't need anything fancy for now, I don't want to cheap out on bindings either or underestimate myself.  Can someone explain the bindings technology in these bindings and whether these are suitable?


I can also get these at a significant discount as well:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/Salomon-710-B80-Ski-Binding-NIB-786407_W0QQitemZ200438517322QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2eab110e4a#ht_1221wt_940

http://www.evogear.com/outlet/alpine-ski-bindings/salomon-710-2008.aspx


I think these are 2008 models, but I don't know if that really matters or not.
 

Whatever brand you get, you get what you pay for.  Cheep = cheep in any brand.  Top line Salomon kick butt for me every time.  One must have any binding adjusted properly.  When that's done it will come off when you are not skiing well!  
post #21 of 23
THIS is a steal, but not suitable for anybody but big dudes, racers, or experts requiring an unusually high DIN.

http://www.evogear.com/outlet/alpine-ski-bindings/look-px-15-racing-fs-2009.aspx


I'd be all over it if it weren't for the fact that I'm not a big dude, racer, nor an expert requiring an unsually high DIN.  I'm happy running a DIN of 8.
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

This is ludicrous. I use STH16's set at a din of 10 on my Blog's. I have never had anything other than perfectly smooth releases when the situation called for it.

This is not "ludicrous" - it's merely that your anecdotal evidence is different than mine.

I'm well aware that many people ski on Salomon bindings without incident.  Many people drive Toyotas without incident, yet we know that there is a problem.  With automobiles, we have crash statistics broken out by make and model, so we can evaluate which vehicles are "safer" than others.  I'm unaware of any such industry-wide stats regarding bindings - I'd be very interested in seeing them if anyone knows where they could be found.  I'm sure that they'd shed light on the issue, and perhaps show that my experience is atypical. 

Unfortunately, I don't recall the exact models.  One was a low end rental binding (which spiralled a tibia with the set at DIN = 3).  The other two were midrange models. All were indemnified and adjusted by a certified tech.   Ihis happened about ten years ago so perhaps Salomon has gotten their act together, but after seeing three broken legs in a year, I decided "three strikes and your out" . No more Salomon bindings for me.  Ever. 
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post




This is not "ludicrous" - it's merely that your anecdotal evidence is different than mine.

I'm well aware that many people ski on Salomon bindings without incident.  Many people drive Toyotas without incident, yet we know that there is a problem.  With automobiles, we have crash statistics broken out by make and model, so we can evaluate which vehicles are "safer" than others.  I'm unaware of any such industry-wide stats regarding bindings - I'd be very interested in seeing them if anyone knows where they could be found.  I'm sure that they'd shed light on the issue, and perhaps show that my experience is atypical. 

Unfortunately, I don't recall the exact models.  One was a low end rental binding (which spiralled a tibia with the set at DIN = 3).  The other two were midrange models. All were indemnified and adjusted by a certified tech.   Ihis happened about ten years ago so perhaps Salomon has gotten their act together, but after seeing three broken legs in a year, I decided "three strikes and your out" . No more Salomon bindings for me.  Ever. 



 

Too many people don't even have a clue as how to set a binding.  Even if they are set good, there is no guarantee that you can't break your leg!  I have mine adjusted right!  Sounds like you had a shop tell you they were good, so thing happen.  Maybe it's not the binding at all?   I broke my leg in a Salomon, but I still ski the binding, and have bought more of them as well.  I like the adjustable toe pieces, but too many people don't understand how to set them up.  Hey a binding with a "self adjusting" toe piece would be best then right?  I don't know, maybe some people just go beyond their skill level.   
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