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Telemark ski length?

post #1 of 18
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This is an after-the-fact question, but when researching telemark skis to purchase, I learned that recommended ski lengths are generally longer than alpine skis.  For example, I'm 5'10", 160 lb.  My recommended alpine ski length is about 165-170, while my recommended tele ski length is about 175.  This is consistent for every ski manufacturer I've seen.....K2 - 174, Black Diamond - 175, G3 - 175, Karhu - 175.

On top of this, the length gradients for tele skis are larger than alpine skis.  For example, a particular ski will come in lengths of 165 and 175.  But an alpine ski, in the same length range, will come in lengths of 165, 170, and 175. 

Why is this?  I'm curious.
post #2 of 18
I'm not sure where the recommendations you mention are coming from, but I pretty much recommend people get tele skis the same length as their alpine preferences ...all things being equal - width, ability, goals, appropriate boots, etc.  
post #3 of 18
 I never thought about using a longer ski for Telemark. My first pair of nordic skis were selected with the idea that I would be cross country skiing with them as well as lift skiing. Even so, they were only a little longer than my alpine skis and the front six inches were curled up like elf shoes.

When I jumped on the shaped skis, I went for 163s. I figured if I pulled the inside ski back 20 inches, it's like adding 50cm  to the effective length of my skis. 

Considering that you are just starting free heel skiing, and you are probably already a very good alpine skier, it would not make sense for you to have longer skis for Telemark than what you use for alpine.

My current skis are 174cm. I'm 6'1" 190 lbs. They are probably short for me, but I never really thought about it. I bought them because they were on sale. I'm very happy with them. Don't worry, be happy. :)
post #4 of 18
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I'm happy.    I got my skis on sale (50% off skis and bindings) and while they ARE 175's, strangely, they don't feel like long skis.

I'm sure it would be easier to go through the learning process on shorter ones, but I'll be fine on my Black Diamonds.  When I do things right they turn very nicely for me. Plus, I do get a free pair of K2's next year; I'm going to get one of their backcountry skis in a women's 167, so I'll have that shorter pair, too.
post #5 of 18
 I use tele skis that are the same length and some times the same model as my alpine skis.  I'm 5'10 and 170 lbs.  I'm currently skiing alpine set ups in the 170 range, 170, 172, 174, 175, 176, 178..  My two most current tele set ups are 176 and 174.  I have skied much longer boards in the past and have had a few shorter set ups that were fun for a while and proved to be not enough ski.  I think you are on the right size tele board and maybe a bit short on the alpine end.  If they ski well for you then that's great!  I have said before that I think used alpine skis make the best tele boards.  I would ski on free tele boards though.  

If you like some shorter stuff I have a pair of Gotomas mounted with BD 02 tele bindings in a 168.  Great looking white ski with blue and silver binders.  $200.  I also still have the Nordica Enforcer with the PX 12 alpine binder in a 169 for $300.
post #6 of 18
Oops, I misunderstood (typically) and was trying to reassure you that your skis weren't too short.

Err, I learned Telemark turns on 45mm waisted 212s. It's all good! :D Your equipment won't be holding you back.

Now given my old school background, your 88mm waisted 175s look more like a soft snow ski than the firm snow ski it's designed to be. I'd be tempted to get a shorter narrower carver as my groomer cruiser and use the Velvets as my powder ski, but I'm really at my contrarian best when it comes to the subject of ski widths. If the BDs are working for you on the groomers, getting a wider second ski might be the better choice. That's what most would probably suggest, but if you ski mostly in PA, and you like to carve groomers you might want to think differently. I just see you often having to choose between a little too fat ski or a lot too fat ski, if you only have fat skis and fatter skis. Keep in mind, Telemark specific skis are not designed to be used at Blue Mountain, whet they call hard snow is not what we call hard snow. 

Anyway, 175 isn't too long for someone your size. Your skis have a lot of sidecut and are probably pretty soft flexing, plus twin tipped, all of which make them ski shorter. You might have outgrown the 165s. 
post #7 of 18
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The K2 She's Back is an 80mm ski, and shorter.  That could be my "groomer" ski.  Or I could find a narrower-waisted one, somewhere.  It would be cool to get a pair of Fischer Progressor 8's in a 170 WITHOUT the Railflex bindings.....I have a pair of 165's for alpine and love them, though sometimes they feel a little short.  They have a nice flex but hold like a rail on ice, so it would be fun to mount some tele bindings on a pair!
post #8 of 18
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Well, I'm cruising Evogear's site, and I find some K2 She's Pistes for $94.88!  Made a couple of phone calls, learned these are great for learning on, and I ordered a pair in 167.  So, I now have a narrow (70 mm), shorter pair as well as my 88mm BD's.  I was doing OK on my BD's but I'm sure the learning curve will be a lot less steep on the K2's.  And K2 doesn't make these narrow skis anymore.

Now, my problem will be: What K2's do I order next season, for my free pair??????  Crazy, isn't it?
post #9 of 18
I'm on 70mm waist K2 Superstinx, probably pretty similar to your She's Pistes. I wasn't sure where your BDs would fit in a two ski quiver, but they make for a great middle ski in a three ski quiver. Problem solved! :)

Get some stupid fat rockered K2s. Or something a little more versatile and sell the Black Diamonds. I think the BDs are a great one ski quiver or a great middle ski, but if you think two pairs will do you for now, maybe get rid of them? 

You remind me of another Epicski member who expressed an interest in trying Telemark and within a few months he had three pairs of Telemark skis all nicer than any I've tried much less owned in twenty plus years of freeheel skiing. He doesn't have any 70mm waist skis though. Haha! 
post #10 of 18
 I think I'll be skiing on a pair of short skinny slalom skis with the Nordic team coach tomorrow.  That is unless I have to teach an alpine lesson.  Video to follow?
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

Get some stupid fat rockered K2s.

Not bad advice.  Maybe some Gotbacks:
http://k2skis.com/skis/backside/gotback
post #12 of 18
 Or get my 168 Gotomas.  Sweet ski at a good price.  
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

I'm on 70mm waist K2 Superstinx, probably pretty similar to your She's Pistes. I wasn't sure where your BDs would fit in a two ski quiver, but they make for a great middle ski in a three ski quiver. Problem solved! :)

Get some stupid fat rockered K2s. Or something a little more versatile and sell the Black Diamonds. I think the BDs are a great one ski quiver or a great middle ski, but if you think two pairs will do you for now, maybe get rid of them? 

You remind me of another Epicski member who expressed an interest in trying Telemark and within a few months he had three pairs of Telemark skis all nicer than any I've tried much less owned in twenty plus years of freeheel skiing. He doesn't have any 70mm waist skis though. Haha! 
The She's Piste is the female equivalent of the Superstinx.  I do believe the BD's will be a very versatile ski; they are light and just as stiff as my Volkl Auras so should hold a good edge and cut through crud. After skiing on a 90mm twin tip as my only ski for several seasons, I can see the BD's could be a one-quiver ski.  The She's Pistes will be better to develop my skills on though, and will be faster-turning.

It seems if I get another K2 around 80mm waist, then that really negates the BD's and I'm not going to sell them; I like them.  So, perhaps there's a Gotback in my future....a stupid fat rockered ski may not get much use here, but sure would be fun where it really snows.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

 I think I'll be skiing on a pair of short skinny slalom skis with the Nordic team coach tomorrow.  That is unless I have to teach an alpine lesson.  Video to follow?
Yes!  Post one!
post #15 of 18
 I got to do a level 3 prep clinic this morning.  The clinic was led by J. Scott McGee, national Nordic team coach.  I got a chance to use his Rossi's 176? with a Hammerhead binding.  We didn't shoot to much video as Jane wanted to maximize her time before the level 3 assessment next week.  The first clip is out of focus because I had loaned the camera out to some friends and they turned off the auto focus.  I think the tasks shown are open telemark, telemark short retraction, wedge tele, pivot to edge set, and moon-walking.  I really liked the Rossi's in these conditions.  I need to get a skinny side-cut ski

Edited by tetonpwdrjunkie - 3/24/10 at 10:10pm
post #16 of 18
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I couldn't get to the video.....it said it's "private?"
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by Twintip View Post

I couldn't get to the video.....it said it's "private?"

I don't know how that happened.  It took a while, but I'm pretty sure I fixed it.
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
Cool!  That was excellent to watch.  Great video - I could really see what was going on with the feet.

Good choice of tunes, too.

Thanks for posting!
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