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looking for 1st skis... Rossignol Bandit B1?

post #1 of 16
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i’m looking to buy a pair of skis.

i’ve skiied under 10 times, but i enjoy it a lot. i’m probably going to take lessons the next time i go skiing, and i’m looking for friends to go skiing in the alps or in australia come summer. then next winter i’ll probably get a season pass.

so i presume that with the amount of skiing i’ll be doing, i should improve faster, so i don’t want to buy skis that i’ll outgrow in a season. yet i don’t want advanced skis when my techniques are not fully mastered.

i’m 5′6″ at 140lbs, and i was thinking of the Rossignol Bandit B1 at 154cm, what do you think? also, what should i look out for in boots? i figure i shouldn't buy them online since i should try them on first to see if they'd fit nicely.

i’m fairly comfortable/confident on blue slopes, except when there’s crud on it. that’s when i’ll fall, so that's what i want to master now.

any advice would be greatly appreciated!

post #2 of 16
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i’m fairly comfortable/confident on blue slopes - correction: actually i'm not very good at controlling my speed on blues yet, i just feel confident though
post #3 of 16
Re your question on the boots and buying online - what I find works well is if you go to a local store and try on ski boots that you like - get the right size, and then scout around online for the best pricing.
post #4 of 16
Where do you plan to buy a season pass next year and what type of skiing do you like to do?

Re: boots, there is no substitute for getting help in person from someone who knows what he's doing, especially the first time. All normal human instincts will guide you in the wrong direction when you're trying on ski boots if you don't know what you should be looking for. Example, if the sides of your foot hurt, your instinct will be to try a bigger boot, but the solution may be support below your foot to keep it from collapsing and spreading out. The world is full of people with lousy boots because they bought what was comfortable in the store when comfort in the store is not a good indicator. In consultation with a bootfitter, get the tightest boots that don't cut off blood circulation or actually hurt (discomfort is okay). This is a more important purchase than skis.

As for skis ... you might want to do demo rentals a bit to see what you like and don't like. The first question to ask yourself, if you do buy skis, is whether you'd rather work on carving on the greens, blues and blacks served by chairlifts, or whether you'd rather work on bumps and powder, because those preferences will help determine the skis to focus on (though many skis claim to be good at everything, and it's even true to various degrees).
post #5 of 16
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at seven springs, a local pittsburgh ski resort.

i can't say for sure what kind of skiing i'd like to do, because i'm so new at it. in fact i just posted a thread asking about carving vs skidding (see http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/93342/skidding-vs-carving)

i'm wondering if i even need a pair of skis in the first place. i am international student graduating soon, so i reckon at worst, i'd have only one ski season left. but i figured that buying a pair of skis should just about cost as much as renting for an entire season.

also i really want to improve my skiing, and i didn't want rental skis to get in the way, if they would at all. also, i'd like to think that i am rather athletic, so i learn pretty fast. for all these reasons, i reckoned that i should get my pair of skis (plus it's just nice to have your own pair). what do you think?
post #6 of 16
I think if you're not sure what kind of skiing you want to do, now's not the time to buy skis. I suggest identifying a couple of different skis you're interested in and trying to demo them or their competitors. That will help you see what difference they make and what your preferences are. However, if Seven Springs doesn't have demos or has a poor selection, that would tilt the scales in favor of buying. Standard base-level rentals will be limiting.
post #7 of 16
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so i just go to a ski shop at a resort and ask them to let me demo them, and i can do that for the whole day?
post #8 of 16
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 i have been reading up on skiing and i'm pretty sure i do want to get my own skis. i'd be interested in carving, and going down blues and blacks served by chairlifts, and also working through crud.

what would you recommend? also is 154cm (i'm 5'6") a good length?
post #9 of 16
 I do the same type of skiing and am about your height, and enjoy my Volkl AC50s. You could also look at the AC30 (or many other brands and models). 154cm sounds a bit short, I'd probably look at more like 163 unless you are extremely light. But this type of question is really where demoing would pay off, because it's really personal preference. Shorter skis make it easier to initiate turns but offer less stability in larger turns at high speed.
Edited by FB User (Private) - 3/27/10 at 2:55pm
post #10 of 16
Keith your advice about renting until you know what type of skiing is your preference and which ones feel good is a good idea. I would imagine that if you told a ski shop that the following rented skis felt good, they would have an idea on which new skis were similar.

BTW, do you think it wise to apply the same thinking to boots?
post #11 of 16
When I'm asked this same question by friends I always respond with "... people normally get things backwards; they rent skis and boots the first time or two and then go out and buy skis".  If you're really going to get into skiing the best path is to 1) have a proper footbed moulded for your foot, 2) work with a reputable boot fitter and buy boots that fit properly with that footbed, 3) research the correct type of skis for you and pick out a handful that you can demo, 4) demo a bunch of skis in various conditions to find some you like, 5) buy some skis that you won't outgrow too quickly as your skiing improves, and 6) tell us all about it with an equipment review in the reviews forum.

But then, of course, for my own quiver I do a bunch of research and buy skis sight unseen  

Best of luck.
post #12 of 16
 What he said ^^^, but in answer to your B1 question, depends on the year it was made and the price. The old wood core ones with the red/white color scheme (05-07, I think), were still a great ski you could grow with. I owned a pair that worked in most conditions under 4" of pow, and may have been the best bump ski I ever used. I'd pay $100 now new. That said, the later versions went to the floppy foam core and lost their mojo. And these remain narrow skis; a 70 mm waist is not really going to help much off-piste or in heavy chop. 

If you plan to ski in the Alps or Australia, would instead suggest something in the 80's. Such as a Watea 84, Sultan 85, Cronus, Rossi Avenger Carbon. All on sale now and for a while. Pay more attention to boots and a good bootfitter, not a superstore chain. And take a few lessons, which is more important than which brand ski you're on if you want to handle the places you mention. 
post #13 of 16
If you are thinking about getting twin-tips consider K2 Silencers. I spent my first two season on them and I can now ski every expert run in Deer Valley. They are great, fun skis that work well almost anywhere. The only snow they weren't good in was the crusty stuff but we didn't have much of that. Fine in ice, powder, packed, everything. You definitely won't get tired of them either. I skied about 70 days on them and I still love them. I'm getting new skis, but I'll defnitely still use these occasionally though.
Edited by sean stratford-jones - 4/23/10 at 9:40pm
post #14 of 16
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around 160cm would be good?
post #15 of 16
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oh additionally what would be the difference between twin-tip and all-mountain skis?
post #16 of 16
ur right around my height and weight and mine were 158 cm so ya high 50s to low 60s is what u want. twin-tip can be used anywhere on the mountain, and are the best for the park; however, i never took mine to the park. since they are turned up on both ends they will float better than similar all-mountain skis
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