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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
We would like to take action to consolidate the instruction forums.  The difference between Technique and Analysis and Instruction and Coaching is subtle.  Combining the forums will make topics easier to find, and should make the remaining forum more lively and active.   In addition, Ask A Ski Pro is not working well in its current form.   Your input and thoughts are welcomed.  

Very shortly, we propose to close the Hot Tub forum and move all of its posts to the Instructor to Instructor private forum.  We just don't have the demand for two specialty "behind the scenes" forums.  Also, this forum was developed to support Ask A Ski Pro, and it was rarely used for that purpose.  Ask A Ski Pro will probably be replaced with something different (see below).  As mentioned above we would like to merge the Coaching and Analysis forums back into one forum that should be more lively as it concentrates the discussions.

Joan has a vision to replace Ask A Ski Pro with an Expert Panel forum.  EpicSki would assemble a panel of experts, each of whom would have a private forum in which they would reply to questions, or provide an opinion or technical blog as they choose.  A similar approach is used on another Huddler forum  Home Theater, Talk With The Insiders.  The Ask the Boot Guys is incredibly successful, and its largely because they are a very small group of respected experts, and leaders in their field.   This is what it looks like on Home Theater Talk With The Insiders. There has not been a decision on who would be "Insider Experts" but certainly Weems and Barnes would be included among the instruction experts, and we would like to include a diverse group that can address racing, freestyle and perhaps Canadian and European issues.  The insiders would also include gear experts and manufacturer reps.  Who would you like to see?

We want to make EpicSki an even better place for professional instructors, and skiers who want to benefit from having access to them.  Asking your opinion is the best way to make sure your forum is going in the right direction.

Tom
post #2 of 19
In addition to the names already mentioned-I have always found Arcmeister's posts to be especially helpful and thoughtful. I would also like to see Heluva skier included.
post #3 of 19
 Great idea Cirque!  I would be honored to be included but would understand if I am not.  I would certainly like to see less hocking of ones products as has been more apparent lately.  Say what you would like to say, and leave your links and products in your footer.  

Would love to see guys like Barnes, Ric Reiter, Roger Kane posting more often!  Using a similar concept to the Ask a bootfitter makes perfect sense and would eliminate confusion for OP's.

bud
post #4 of 19
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Actually Bud, I can easily see you included as someone to get a forum, and would think Jim Schaffner would also be in there, perhaps as a duo with Jim Fowler.  My concern would be undermining the success that is Ask the Boot Guys.
post #5 of 19
Sounds like a great idea cirque!

My only suggestion is that when the time comes to do it that there could possibly some open method of discussing who is to be included and who is to have their own section.  Not sure who should be included in this discussion, but it would be nice to have some kind of forum to make sure there is no feeling of unfair exclusion or favoritism.
post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 
Personally, I'd like to have Julia Mancuso in the Expert Forums.

SMJ, We want people who are tops in their field, and want to interact with our members using the forum format we have.  There would be room for blogging and writing articles, as well as discussions (question/answer).  I think there would be considerable latitude.  In order to attract the highest levels of professionals,  EpicSki would likely compensate the experts, although we are a long way from figuring that out.  Being fair may actually be secondary to being in demand, and being responsive.  Pretty novel concept, huh?  Having input from the EpicSki community is clearly a part of that selection.
post #7 of 19
 Make a poll and throw some names out there for people to choose who they feel has offered clear valuable posts to conversations.  

Sure Mancuso and Bode Miller would be nice, but it ain't gonna happen.  There are plenty passionate people here, it is just separating the wheat from the chaf!
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

Personally, I'd like to have Julia Mancuso in the Expert Forums.

SMJ, We want people who are tops in their field, and want to interact with our members using the forum format we have.  There would be room for blogging and writing articles, as well as discussions (question/answer).  I think there would be considerable latitude.  In order to attract the highest levels of professionals,  EpicSki would likely compensate the experts, although we are a long way from figuring that out.  Being fair may actually be secondary to being in demand, and being responsive.  Pretty novel concept, huh?  Having input from the EpicSki community is clearly a part of that selection.

Agreed, and if the content and people chosen are great, noone will really care if we were consulted at the end of the day!
post #9 of 19
To showcase the unique skills of your expert panelists, consider posting a skiing bio and a 10 minute video of them freeskiing "doing their thing" and also teaching actual students or coaching actual racers, whichever is their profession.
post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 
The content of the Expert's forums would vary, and would mostly be up to them.  Posting videos, pictures, articles and content related to their profession and interests is encouraged, but think of this as being like a guest columnist.  If those kinds of things are relevant to their audience, then great.  I suppose if we had a freestyle competitor or film producer like Bill Kerig, we could enjoy lots of content like that.  I'm sure Bob Barnes could use some of his very large library of video if he chooses to do so.   I agree with you, but this Insider's Forum would be bigger than just ski instruction, and posting a video of one's self certainly isn't a prerequisite.   As said above, the panelists should be people who bring credibility and demand for their knowledge and skills.   Put another way, if you want to buy what they're selling, visit their forum. If not, we won't twist your arm.  
post #11 of 19
 Well put Tom, as always the voice of reason.
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 
Standby for all threads in Technique and Anaysis to merge into this forum.  Threads have been moved out of the Hot tub.
post #13 of 19
There all in the same forum anyway, the "newposts" forum.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

Actually Bud, I can easily see you included as someone to get a forum, and would think Jim Schaffner would also be in there, perhaps as a duo with Jim Fowler.  My concern would be undermining the success that is Ask the Boot Guys.

I think you may have misunderstood my comment.  I don't think anything in the Ask a bootfitter needs changed as it works just fine.  I was referring to the instruction and technique threads.
post #15 of 19
 You know you are right....we don't need any more skiing technique or instructor to instructor forums anymore.  Just have Rick's website and DVD's posted for all to refer to and it will all be done, every possible question answered.  It's really simple, no need for conversations to expand our understandings or share our thoughts or observations, just click on the hyperlink and voila!  there's your answer!  After all nobody likes repeating themselves!
post #16 of 19
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After all nobody likes repeating themselves!

The best ski for <terrain, condition, region> is the one you demo'd and liked the best.
Don't buy boots that don't fit. If you don't know, don't buy.
Don't teach your wife to ski even if you are sure you know how.
Buy a helmet, or don't.
Grab the safety bar when you load to prevent being hit on the head.
Downhill skier has the right of way, but don't be oblivious.
Nobody carves every turn.
You are probably level six.
Tip left ski to go left, tip right ski to go right.

There, just sticky those and we won't ever need to post or read the forums again.

Is there any indication as to whether the chosen experts would generate enough content to keep the forums relevant? 
post #17 of 19
 addendum:  downhill skiers have the right of way unless being overtaken by a snowboarder, then the skier is not permitted to turn in front of them!  Dude...

I apologize for post #15, I was tired and cranky!
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 
We have completed the moves discussed above. This has Hot Tub, Ask A Ski Pro and Skiing Technique and Analysis.  Most threads are now in this Coaching and Instruction forum area or in the instructors only Instructor to Instructor forum.   If you automatically subscribe to threads where you post, your subscription links on your home page will still work.   We are not close to implementing an Expert forum, but that is on the agenda to do as the ski season winds down.
post #19 of 19

Ric Reiter was my brother and sisters coach (aswellas Jim Davies and Craig Speiss) back in the eighties at Whakapapa New Zealand, they both made the New Zealand ski team, he had my group for a day (10-12years-4 years younger) and taught us helicopters, well at least showed us...he made it look so easy. He used to bring scott pole shafts and files over from states, 1/4 price we could get them for. (Ron Johnson was my coach that year) Good to see Rich's name with such a group of pros, Weems was ski school director at Coronet Peak in 70's/80's....these guys have defitnitly been around for a while.


Edited by CaseyKiwi - 5/11/10 at 2:01pm
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