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After a bit a of looking and attempts at getting a couple ski carrier manufacturer's to get the concept of carrying skis and snowboards and make some design tweaks, I think I finally found a good option. Just after hiking to the Telluride Gold Hill chutes, a friend was hiking the Black Iron Bowl ridge and met the manufacturer/owner of Mountain Goat Ski Totes and purchased a couple for his climb and ski. He called me and told me "You have to add this to your store!". So I contacted the owner and obtained some initial supplies and added them to our store.

Note that these also work great for schlepping your skis to and from an outlying parking lot or condo and a lift or for spring hike and skis while corn camping........



Here's how it works:

1. Unroll the tote by releasing the Velcro strap. Lay the tote out on the ground with the Velcro straps open and facing up, creating a square shape with the shoulder straps.
 



2. Lay the skis onto and perpendicular to the Velcro straps with the toe piece of the ski binding just above the Velcro stro strap that is attached to the shorter of the two shoulder straps, and the heel piece of the ski binding just above the other Velcro strap.



3. Squeezing the skis together, tightly wrap the two Velcro straps around and just below the ski binding's toe and heel piece so that when lifted off the ground the Velcro straps support the weight of the skis.



4. Grasp the skis with one hand just above the toe piece of the ski binding. While lifting the skies with one hand; put your other arm through one of the shoulder straps as you would in putting on a backpack



5. Now put your other arm through the remaining shoulder strap and adjust the tightness of the shoulder straps by pulling down on the end loops with your thumbs to tighten and hold the skis securely to your back!



6. When you are finished using the tote, simply roll it up close the Velcro strap and stash it in your pocket!


Edited by Alpinord - 9/22/11 at 5:47pm
post #2 of 36
 Slick; I have wanted something like this on occasion.
post #3 of 36
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It works great and we've been discussing ways to clip on hydration bladders or bottles, jackets and other 'enhancements'.
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I think the easiest and cheapest solution for ski/board carrying is simply a loop of 1" wide climbing webbing.  You can buy it at any shop that sells climbing gear for about $0.50/foot. For skis you need 10 feet, but I'm not sure about a board.  Tie it in a loop and keep it in your jacket pocket on days you might be hiking.  You can also tie it around your waist under your jacket, or throw it in a pack. 

Depending on the width of skis, you loop it around them 2 or 3 times outside (just in front of toe piece and in back of heel) the bindings, and pull one end of the loop through and tight.  I believe it is called a Prusik Knot, and is used for ascending in climbing.  Then put the strap over your head and onto one shoulder, with the skis diagonally across your back.  It works best with the ski tips down so their weight pulls the skis more vertical when you hike.

I do not see why the same setup would not work with a board, although you need to loop around at least twice before pulling it tight, so the length of webbing might get pretty long.  The webbing is light, comfortable on your shoulder, and waterproof.
Edited by mudfoot - 3/15/10 at 11:36am
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It works great and we've been discussing ways to clip on hydration bladders or bottles, jackets and other 'enhancements'.
 

How about a shovel and Probe?

Next thing you know, you'll be wearing a backpack.
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I think the easiest and cheapest solution for ski/board carrying is simply a loop of 1" wide climbing webbing.  You can buy it at any shop that sells climbing gear for about $0.50/foot. For skis you need 10 feet, but I'm not sure about a board.  Tie it in a loop and keep it in your jacket pocket on days you might be hiking.  You can also tie it around your waist under your jacket, or throw it in a pack. 

Depending on the width of skis, you loop it around them 2 or 3 times outside (just in front of toe piece and in back of heel) the bindings, and pull one end of the loop through and tight.  I believe it is called a Prusick Knot, and is used for ascending in climbing.  Then put the strap over your head and onto one shoulder, with the skis diagonally across your back.  It works best with the ski tips down so their weight pulls the skis more vertical when you hike.

I do not see why the same setup would not work with a board, although you need to loop around at least twice before pulling it tight, so the length of webbing might get pretty long.  The webbing is light, comfortable on your shoulder, and waterproof.

After watching several people fumble around with the webbing and waste time/runs (including missing a cat ride, forcing them to wait fifteen to twenty minutes for the next one), not to mention general confusion and lack of adjustment, I started looking for easier and adjustable solutions.

The prusik knot:



And knots in general are not that easy for many people to remember if they are not in the mode on a regular basis.
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How about a shovel and Probe?

Next thing you know, you'll be wearing a backpack.

We talked about this. For now the main target is for those wishing to climb to the in bounds hike to stuff without a pack. This fits in a pocket and is lightweight. Accessorizing is the next step. Keep the ideas coming. I can see lapping over/clipping on a hydration pack with shovel and probe very easy to do.

One advantage of this approach versus a pack is the skis are carried closer to the back and not 'cantilevered' outward from the back (if not in a-frame mode) affecting center of mass. Adding sleeves or packs on either side (think panniers) is another idea.
post #8 of 36
I have been using a webbing sling for several years without problems.  I like the fact that I can put in in my pocket just in case I end up doing a climb, and I don't notice it there.  My last two days at Telluride I carried it in my jacket hoping to ski Chute 9, but it never opened.  Skiing bumps all day I forgot about the sling in my pocket.  You can also put it on without laying your skis in the snow, just stick the tails in, or hold them.
 
Loop twice around the skis and pull one end through is not like actually "tying" a knot.  So it does not seem like much fiddling around to me.  I only use it on hikes over 15 minutes.  Less than that and it is easier to just put'm on your shoulder.
post #9 of 36
I'd keep it super lean. If a person wants to bring a shovel/probe/hydration/extra layer... well, then they want a backpack, right?

This is a cool option for an occasional quick lap while riding lifts. keep it 'pocket friendly'. I'd say add a few spots (think daisey chain) where you could clip a carabiner and leave it at that. Have a place to clip a helmet.
post #10 of 36
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Yeah, I suggested the daisy chain and agree that 'less is more'. Adding an 'X' of shock cord could allow you to stick your jacket on your back to avoid overheating and also accommodate a helmet....or you can simple clip your helmet around the ski strap and wrap your jacket between shoulder and skis.
post #11 of 36
I used my mountaingoat yesterday at Taos a couple times, it worked great. Thanks Alpinord.
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Boy Snowfan. You've been on a rampage. Nice skiing with you! Check out this thread for a couple pics from part of your trip.
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post #14 of 36
Sweet perfect, easy solution is a couple mini carabiners that you can just loop through and clip on a helmet. Jacket or layer can just be laid across the top of the ski's beneath the ski and your back sideways and on the outside (on top of the straps) of the straps sorta weaved in. I want a pair!
post #15 of 36
 This is truly a solution in search of a problem, or an expensive substitute to a piece of rope.  if you hike any reasonable distance with your skis, you need a backpack.  If you do a quick bootpack you can shoulder the skis and not deal with the hassle.  This "invention' would join the SkiTote and ski boot walkers in the list of misconstrued faddish skiing gadgets.  I bet it also gives you wicked back pain from the ski brakes or bindings hitting your bare back.  If you want to carry your skis on your back, GET A BACKPACK. 

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 This is truly a solution in search of a problem, or an expensive substitute to a piece of rope.  if you hike any reasonable distance with your skis, you need a backpack.  If you do a quick bootpack you can shoulder the skis and not deal with the hassle.  This "invention' would join the SkiTote and ski boot walkers in the list of misconstrued faddish skiing gadgets.  I bet it also gives you wicked back pain from the ski brakes or bindings hitting your bare back.  If you want to carry your skis on your back, GET A BACKPACK. 

I've pretty much come to the thinking that if it's too far to just sling them on your shoulders then any potential support you would need in case of a slide/accident would need to do the same. In this case you should be carrying a little more than just ski's. It doesn't matter here though because there are never slides "inbounds", and everyone is an expert skier that never falls. Right?
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 I'm gonna stay out of the philosophy part - but the evolutionary pinnacle of this concept was probably the Indigo G-String. Those so inclined might be able to find one on eBay or a discount bin...



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Hmmmmm, ski and deal all day with a pack and lifts in the event one wants to bang out a 30 to 45 minute ridge hike or two, or carry a simple 5 oz carrier in a pocket and keep your hands free to use ski poles? Sounds like a personal preference issue.

Maybe it's a location issue, but at Telluride and Highlands there are boatloads of people hiking the ridges to ski terrain that is not lift served without packs and lugging skis and snowboards, but essentially the exact same type terrain that is.....and is controlled and patrolled. Same for Taos. That's not to say there isn't a risk and those who prefer to carry a shovel, beacon and probe at ski areas all day have that choice....or go BC to save the lift ticket cost. The terrain that is now served by Telluride's Lift 14/Gold Hill was hike-to-terrain for years.
Edited by Alpinord - 3/16/10 at 10:57am
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yup, for a inexpensive solution to carrying skis freeing up your hands and not having to wear a backpack if you don't want to, its a great solution. Its small enough to fit in a pocket. It's a pure preference thing. For me, the majority of times I don't need a backpack. I just don't carry enough gear.
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Hmmmmm, ski and deal all day with a pack and lifts in the event one wants to bang out a 30 to 45 minute ridge hike or two, or carry a simple 5 oz carrier in a pocket and keep your hands free to use ski poles? Sounds like a personal preference issue.

Certainly...  However, I just don't think it is the right solution.  Everyone who carried modern fat skis knows that they are big, heavy and have lots of sharp edges and pointy binding parts.  If you just strap them to your body, you are in for a lot of pain and sore shoulders.   If you carry skis on your back, do it with a proper backpack with padded back and a good hipbelt (I also hate small ski backpacks that have just a thin webbing hipbelt- even if the pack is small you are carrying the same friggin' heavy pair of skis on your back and you do need proper support).  There are plenty of good backpacks that are thin enough to work for lift-served skiing.   Basically for me the calculation is simple- if the hike is long enough, I'd appreciate the comfort carry of a proper backpack; if it is short, then I'd be happy to just shoulder the skis.  The strappy thingy is a solution for the "in-between" situation that for me does not quite exist it is not confortable enough to go long distance and too much hassle for short hikes..   Safe to say I am not getting in line to buy it, to me it is one of the things that looks brilliant in the store but does not quite work in the real world.  

P.S. Not really relevant here, but as a parent of small children I really appreciate the ability of my backpack to carry several pairs of skis if necessary.   And I do it surprisingly often ;-)

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post #21 of 36
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Thanks for the constructive feedback. It is clearly a 'tweener' option that works just fine for many and not for others.
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Boy Snowfan. You've been on a rampage. Nice skiing with you! Check out this thread for a couple pics from part of your trip.


Yeah, 6 straight days kinda wiped me out. Fun skiing with you and Sean too. Hope I did not slow you two down. I'll add a few pics in the other thread.

As far as the mountaingoat ski tote goes, it works perfect for me when I choose not to use my pack. My skis/bindings/brakes do not dig into my back, its very stable and comfortable. Makes for a speedier hike with both hands free for poles.
post #23 of 36
 Well, I will keep an open mind and maybe come upon a chance to demo.  Until then, I am skeptical; but things can happen. 

Alex

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 Well, I will keep an open mind and maybe come upon a chance to demo.  Until then, I am skeptical; but things can happen. 

Alex
 

post #25 of 36
It looks like a nice, well executed product.  Only problem, the Tweener market is small and probably somewhat price elastic.
 
I purchased the webbing that Highlands patrol sells as a fundraiser for $10, but probably use my backpack 80% of the time.
Mostly because I like to have water and my avi gear.  You just never know who you'll run into and it's always better to be prepared?
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It looks like a nice, well executed product.  Only problem, the Tweener market is small and probably somewhat price elastic.

The market still may be larger than that of those who actually tune their skis and snowboards.

It was good fun Snowfan. We both enjoyed hooking up, Sean has the Nastar bug now. We'll be at Taos with several of his soccer buddies on Sunday. Maybe I'll get a hike or two in.....see ya there?
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The market still may be larger than that of those who actually tune their skis and snowboards.

It was good fun Snowfan. We both enjoyed hooking up, Sean has the Nastar bug now. We'll be at Taos with several of his soccer buddies on Sunday. Maybe I'll get a hike or two in.....see ya there?
 


That sounds like fun. I'll try to make it.
post #28 of 36
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Well, I like the Mountain Goat Ski Tote. We climbed Kachina at Taos which was around an hour of hiking. After an up climb initial section, there was a ridge ski/traverse and then climb again. Initially, I left my jacket and helmet on, then clipped the helmet and zipped my jacket around the skis.

It was clearly more efficient and faster to carry the skis and have poles in both hands and the load centered, than to carry skis over the shoulder. I had done so on shorter hikes. Over time/multiple hikes however, skis on shoulders do start 'sensitizing' and are less comfortable.

I wondered about the brakes/bindings/edges wearing the jacket and digging in a little. So far there wasn't any appearance of wear with the brakes being the primary contact point. I do think, that it is possible that over time something could snag or wear the material and a thin section of material or webbing where the ski and binding sides could contact the back of a jacket or top, would not be a bad idea (like the G-string). Rolling it back up and putting it in a pocket was simple, fast and light. I did not notice in my pocket all day.

Additionally, there are other uses. A friend's tele binding cable broke in the powder after one hike and we (Snowfan and I) had to rig a method to keep the boot in the binding to get him down. After some trial and error we devised a method using the adjust-ability of the Mtn Goat straps to generate enough forward 'cinching' so my friend could get down to the base area.

They also double as ski straps and are easier for kids to carry skis on dicey hikes, etc.
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 If you carry skis on your back, do it with a proper backpack with padded back and a good hipbelt (I also hate small ski backpacks that have just a thin webbing hipbelt- even if the pack is small you are carrying the same friggin' heavy pair of skis on your back and you do need proper support). 

I have a pack, and I have a webbing that I bought from the Highlands Ski Patrol for $8. It can be a bit of a PITA to get the webbing adjusted.  That being said, unless I was doing multiple bowl loops, I'd much rather use the strap than the pack.  It isn't that uncomfortable, and there's a reason why the folk in the know at Highlands use the webbing.

 

Mike

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BTW, a link to this video just showed up in my email box. This is some incredibly good boarding -- I wish all were as good as this.

 

Mike

 

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