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post #31 of 35
When I originally trained as an instructor in Scotland (which has plenty of ice!), ice-management skills were not really taught.
But I had the good fortune to ski with a trio of highly-talented instructor-trainers on the glacier above Hintertux a few years back.
This is what they told me about skiing ice:
1 Get really low (low centre of gravity)
2 Spread your legs wide (maximum balance)
3 Swivel your feet simultaneously across the fall-line (smooth controlled turns)
4 Maintain angulation (stability)

These low-slung parallel turns work brilliantly! They give you total control on ice.
post #32 of 35
Bob barnes description is tchnically right on the money for skiers on modern equipment.

I have just one thought to add. On soft snow when carving your ski is supported by a lot of snow. Look at your tracks when skiing groomers and you will see 1-2inches or more of the ski is making the track.

When you encounter harpack or ice just the metal edge is gripping the snow.

Many times the fall or skid on ice is the result of being overcomitted to the inside of the turn ...ie out of balance.

In soft snow the larger contact area gives a greater margin of area in the area of lateral(side to side) balance. On harder snow we need to be more acurate in our balance.

Many skiers with find it easier to maitain traction (not skid) while carving hard snow if they relax and ski with thier feet more under the body.

Another tactic that can help is develope the highest edge angle in or near the fall line and allow the skiis to flatten as the turn progress
post #33 of 35
There is a simple test to determine whether a surface is ice or hard pack. Stab the surface with the tip of your ski pole. If the tip penetrates the surface, it is hard pack, if you the tip of the pole does not go in, it is ice.
post #34 of 35
I don't know why, but ice doesn't seem to bother me too much, but I do respect it and pay attention more to what I'm doing. This is so I don't end up with an unexpected butt ride for a few hundred yards.

With my old, conventional skis (K2 FX 11.2) I handled ice well, but coming to a stop had me baffled for awhile. My downhill ski would chatter like crazy, skip and grab all the way to a stop. i knew I was doing somehting wrong but couldn't figure out what. I asked around but couldnt' find any help. (This was before I found Epicski )

One day I accidently came to a stop on ice properly. What I was doing wrong: Too much banking plus relying too much (almost exclusively) on the downhill ski, inside edge. Correction: Used both edges (downhill ski, inside edge; uphill ski, outside edge). And... angulation instead of banking, plus better balance on both skis in order to use said edges.

It always comes back to balance, doesn't it?
This worked for me, but was I on the right track? Or is this just a stop-gap measure?
post #35 of 35
Thread Starter 
Just spent 4 days at Hintertux Glacier on the snow/ice ........

One of the problems with skiing a glacier during the off-season is that the slopes are often ice covered with snow. The same run that was reasonable snow in the morning can be a minefield of ice patches later in the day. Sometimes the piste is ice camouflaged with a very thin layer of snow, you only know it's ice after you have hit it.

Getting my weight forward and angulating more to get the weight over my ski's as soon as I realised I had hit ice helped. Getting the inside edge ready and not acting too quickly also saved my butt a couple of times. There were some slopes where I just couldn't carve at a resonable speed (i.e. Bank holiday crowds on steep uneven terrain with mounds of snow and icy patches inbetween).

I also tried a pair of Atomic 9.12's and 9.16's in a 160cm length (as opposed to my 170cm 9.18's). My own ski's seemed to straighten out by slipping at the nose and tail when I hit ice (probably my technique) but the 9.12's and 9.16's were much better.

Despite large crowds and the ever changing bad terrain the ice only got me twice (both times the black ice was hidden below a thin layer of snow).

Thanks for the advice it helped, by the end of the forth day I was looking for ice.

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