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post #31 of 38

This is a tough and confusing topic. Like everything else in skiing, most of it will still get you down the hill, so what's the point? The point is while most things "work" some things "work better."

This is my take on the ski lead/counter deal.

Some counter IS good. What matters is how you get it. IF you get it by turning your upper body it is a movement away from your direction of flow, it will retard flow.

IF you get it by directing your body where you want to go while your skis/legs finish the turn shape it has less detrimental effects on balance and flow. One of the 'efficient movement patterns' espoused by PSIA types is this

Counter is developed by the legs turning more than the body rather than the body twisting opposite the legs.

One of my newest discoveries is that movements counter (counter movements?...eeew) to the direction of flow generally have negative effects. The word counter applied to the newest technique developments in skiing today is confusing because it relates only to a 'position' or still shot instead of the actual motions. The best skiers look countered in a picture, but don't make counter-movements very much.

Big lead is another effect of the still-shot problema. Hot skiers in high edge angle shots seem to show a lot of ski lead. Creating that lead is not what gets them there. One of the keys to getting the most out of your skis is for them to have similar edge angles. Forcing the skis/legs into an artificial lead makes the angles unequal, then the skis start wanting to do different things. Forcing the skis into artificially high angles will have the same effect because it upsets balance.

Balance is one of life's less forgiving gods when it is upset.

I noticed some good threads on SPEED elsewhere. The angles, positions and goals people make are often from pics or vids, but most of us don't travel around at speeds comparable to those pics or vids.

What makes sense to me is this. Balance over both feet(doesn't mean equal weighting etc.) As I ski I allow my body to be pressed into postions so I can maintain contact with both feet. Usually this means I have to spend some time feeling undynamic as my speed and turns ramp up. Relaxing will let the terrain, speed and shape tell my body what they need at first. After I start to get a feel for the movements and postions I can create them myself. And I didn't know I had to retrain my body movements..
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post #32 of 38
Also, Lostboy, when it comes to tip lead, no tip lead = no carved turn; it's not possible. That's why most people who discuss carved turns talk about how much tip lead. People who talk about no tip lead are thinking of skid/slid turns.
post #33 of 38
Nothing in skiing is absolute. Think about carving both skis with the inside foot back. John Leffler talks about it best in Breck Tech, "knee forward, foot back".
post #34 of 38

People on monskis can carve turns too. There really are no absolutes in skiing. There may be more folks skiing too much ski lead than the other way around.
post #35 of 38
I'll second that Roto.
post #36 of 38
I'll add a third to that. I think it's very possible to carve w/o tip lead.
post #37 of 38
Arby, Roto, skis&snow, SLATZ & JohnH,
Thanks for helping with my questions. Your ideas give me some things to play around with once the snow starts flying which hopefully will be early.
post #38 of 38
Anytime, Lostboy .
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