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2010 Head Peak 82/88 or Head Chip 78

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
On my 5 day trip to Colorado (Winter Park) this year I've demoed few different skis - K2 Recons, Salomon Tornadoes, Furies, Rossi Phantom 87s and '10 Head Peak 88s. The ones that I liked the most were Head Peak 88's that worked well in powder, hard snow, bumps. Coming back to reality (East Coast) and my old skis (Salomon X-Wing 6) I realized how much better Head Peak 88's were. Eventually, I found myself contemplating a new skis purchase. I was looking at 2010 Head line up - Peaks and Chips. I also started looking at little bit narrower models (78-82mm) since conditions where I ski are primarily hardpackish. I zoomed down on 2010 Head Peaks (82 or 88) and 2010 Head Chip 78. Unfortunately having demoed only Peak 88 I don't really know how the rest of them will work on East Coast hardpack, crud (+ occasional trips out to CO or UT :) ). My guess is that Peak 82 will be pretty close to 88s with quicker edge and faster turns - is it worth considering? As for Head Chip 78 - I've not seen many reviews or feedback on it, but from what tech specs say it could be the best choice for me due to my East Coast geo bias. Anyone had experience with 2010 Head Chip 78? Does it even make sense to consider Peak 88's for East Coast skis?  
post #2 of 28
I have owned the 78, 82, and 88.  The 82 is quite a bit softer than the 88.  The 82 will do OK on hard snow, but it definitely has a speed limit.  I'd probably pick the 88 (or 78) if hardpack performance was important.  I don't know if you have the budget, but the Kastle MX88 is an even better choice than the Peak 88.
post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks for suggestion - unfortunately Kastle is out of my price range. I'm also looking at Fisher Watea (84 - 94) as there seems to be a lot of testimonials that suggest their competence on hard snow and good soft snow performance. Most likely I will end up getting Peak 78 though as Watea in my size (170 - 175, I'm 5'9", 160 lbs) don't seem to be available at reasonable price.
post #4 of 28
 The Wateas are awesome soft snow skis (I have owned 84 and 94), but have very little hard snow capability.
post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post

 The Wateas are awesome soft snow skis (I have owned 84 and 94), but have very little hard snow capability.

 I agree with this sentiment.  I like the ski, but even out of the box it was a little tough to handle really hardpacked snow.  
post #6 of 28
I own both the 88s, 78 Chip and Supershapes. I am also about your weight. Given what you are looking for, I think you would be more happy on the 78s. Don't rule out the regular version (Peak 78) instead of the Chip too because it frequently gets better reviews for versatility. The chip skis a bit stiffer. I bought the chip because there was a great deal on a demo pair, but would have snatched up the regular version instead and been just as happy. 

Get the 171 if you tend to spend most your time in bumps and trees, otherwise the 177 is a good all-around length.
post #7 of 28
 my opinion fwiw...... stay away from head skis......... too needy and poor oversight. the factory is obviously asleep at the wheel and riding the laurels of the olympic exposure.

2/10 i bought IM78's, based on the reviews........
i'm an E/C skier ( vt) and the im 78's suck unless you tune your skis everyday.........

wateas and legend 8000's are good for bumps etc. not the absolute best on holding typical N/E ice. both of these skis are far superior to the  head IM 78's. according to what i read the peak's pale in comparison to the monster im 78's. wow....... 
 
my personal favorite is the line prophet 90. good on ice, great on hardpack, decent on bumps.....
 u cant beat em, im looking for line to make a 75-80 version.
post #8 of 28
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Originally Posted by chrisandy View Post

 my opinion fwiw...... stay away from head skis......... too needy and poor oversight. the factory is obviously asleep at the wheel and riding the laurels of the olympic exposure.

2/10 i bought IM78's, based on the reviews........
i'm an E/C skier ( vt) and the im 78's suck unless you tune your skis everyday.........

wateas and legend 8000's are good for bumps etc. not the absolute best on holding typical N/E ice. both of these skis are far superior to the  head IM 78's. according to what i read the peak's pale in comparison to the monster im 78's. wow....... 
 
my personal favorite is the line prophet 90. good on ice, great on hardpack, decent on bumps.....
 u cant beat em, im looking for line to make a 75-80 version.

 

You're going to need to step up the coherence if you want to bash Head skis like that.  Many of us have gripes about their factory tunes, but the skis are still solid performers.  I demo 10-20 skis every season, and consider the Head 78s to be very good skis, among the better choices in that width range.  For 2010, the Peak 78 is identical to last year's iM78.
post #9 of 28
 not from what i read here........ almost every epic post ive read states the opposite, i also believe one reviewer stated, "the peak is dumbed down"

perhaps virginia has ski areas more attuned to heads.......... coherence?
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by chrisandy View Post

 not from what i read here........ almost every epic post ive read states the opposite, i also believe one reviewer stated, "the peak is dumbed down"

perhaps virginia has ski areas more attuned to heads.......... coherence?

 

That's the Peak 88, which is a softer, more approachable version of the previous iM88 (which was too much ski for most people).  The 78 and 82 carried on unchanged from 08/09 to 09/10 except for naming/graphics.  Same exact skis.
post #11 of 28
 ok, ok, u can have the last word..........  after all u ski in the big mtns in virginia and are remiss of the previous posts........
coherence?roget?
post #12 of 28
I can vouch for the Chip 78, I have Monster Chip's and they can do everything!
Very easy to ski and can handle speed and G's without fail.

I am heavy, 6'4" @ 240lb and I cannot find the grip limits
of those skis...
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by chrisandy View Post

 my opinion fwiw...... stay away from head skis......... too needy and poor oversight. the factory is obviously asleep at the wheel and riding the laurels of the olympic exposure.

2/10 i bought IM78's, based on the reviews........
i'm an E/C skier ( vt) and the im 78's suck unless you tune your skis everyday.........

wateas and legend 8000's are good for bumps etc. not the absolute best on holding typical N/E ice. both of these skis are far superior to the  head IM 78's. according to what i read the peak's pale in comparison to the monster im 78's. wow....... 
 
my personal favorite is the line prophet 90. good on ice, great on hardpack, decent on bumps.....
 u cant beat em, im looking for line to make a 75-80 version.


 

Whenever I hear or read someone completely trashing a pair of skis, I am suspicious.  Sure, there are better skis for individual skiers and individual styles and situations -- but I don't happen to believe there are BAD skis out there at the upper end today  (though perhaps some bad factory tunes...)  When someone tells me that certain skis "suck", I'm pretty sure they're not particularly discerning and given to the same kind of hype and BS that department store salesmen engage in. 

....But then, what do I know?  I write in complete sentences....

Have fun and read intelligently.
post #14 of 28
 so a reviewer that writes in complete sentences is better able to review a ski. now i've read it all..........
either you have holdings in head or have consumed Head kool aid. 

heads quality control issues are not a secret, especially throughout the ski shops in vt. 

if you had the abilty to "read intelligently", you would also note that i was clear from the outset. i qualfied my review as, my opinion,
fwiw.

the simple fact that im78's are rated as the #3 all mountain ski is truly mind boggling. 

have a good day.
post #15 of 28
chrisandy,

I don't know about Virginia skiing, but like you I have skied im78s in Vermont.  I like them enough that I recently bought a second pair (peak 78) as an insurance policy upon hearing about the planned changes in this ski for next year (early reviews are not good...) 

I never even tried them on the factory tune but took them straight to 0.5*/3* and I ski them with rfd14 on a railflex base rather than mojo bindings to get some height, so these may contribute to our different experiences.  These are my Vermont Spring and powder skis.  I hadn't previously heard that they were rated as the #3 all mountain ski, but it doesn't surprise me since they deliver sweet turns.
post #16 of 28
 Hi,
 Ok...... i had the im78's mounted flat, with mojo 12's? . In all honesty they were terrible out of the box.
I desperately wanted to love them; since I drove to Killington and bought them without a demo.
After  five minutes on this ski, I knew there was something awry. That afternoon I had them tuned and they performed
well for one day. . They have been a total disappointment ........ Perhaps the mounting and bindings are problematic.

As a matter of fact they are now at Totem Pole Ski Shop ( ludlow) under the able hands and feet of Torin. Torin is going to tune and ride them as well, to determine if my assessment is accurate.

If you check the all mountain ski list here on epic; the im78  is rated #3.  What I am having a hard time with is that the reviews 
are so polarized from my experience. I trust the epic reviewers and bought these skis with great expectations. I currently
ski Prophet 90's, Dyna 4X4's and Fischer RX8's.. Additionally, I've demoed Blizzards and Volks' to name a few; I've have never encountered any issues with any of these skis.

I wish you the best...... Thanks for your post.
post #17 of 28
What about them was terrible?
post #18 of 28
 well......... 
the first day , i felt only the bottoms of the skis, i couldn't set an edge. i sort of slid my way around for 2-3 runs.
i brought them to a different shop, since the owner of the shop where i bought them insisted that the factory tune is best. 
i skied them after the tuning and they skied well for that day.  the following day i was back to square one.
they didn't to like to turn and wouldn't respond unless i forced them. i noticed later that day the bindings were loose...
i tightened the bindings and skied them again. they were a tad better. I checked them with a bar ,the tune is bad once again. 
they are now being tuned and i'm giving them one more try. not what i expected..........
post #19 of 28
I pretty much ski only Head skis for some pretty obvious reasons.  However I have tried most of the head skis that claim to carve and have also tried several comparable Rossi and Salomon skis.  I ski most with 2 degree side edge as well as initially with factory tune.

My preference is a ski with strong edge hold and smallish radius.  In the Head line that means Supeshape series or WorldCup iSL.  Having skied the Worldcup iSL all this season and having a pair of peak 78 171 in our demo fleet I skied both (and SS Magnum, Titan and regular SS).  The Peak 78 does not have the same edge grip as the iSL or the SS series.  I don't think it was really intended to either.  When skiing on a steepish run that was a bit icy I found that skiing the Peak 78 after a iSL I had to keep my skis more under my body as the edge grip was not as strong.

My feeling on the 78 is that it is an off piste type of ski that does OK when forced to carve.  The flip side of that would be the Titan also 78 mm that is a carving ski that does OK when forced to be used off piste.

I also agree that the ski (Peak 78) needs a plate or something.  Flat mounted skis tend not to have the same strong grip and you need to work harder to get them on edge.

as for factory tune.  I always ski my new skis on factory tune for the first few days and have had no issues - in fact I love the tune.  Of course these are usually SS or iSL skis so it is probably a bit better.  I typically try thgree or four pairs per year at factory tune and is often icy.

I have also tried the Slalom skis from Salomon, Atomic and more recently Rossignol.  Same length (165cm)  usually and Race Stock.  I have found that out of the box these skis seem sharper as they appear to have much less base bevel than the Heads out of the wrapper.  This is both good and bad.  The Heads seem a bit easier to ski and less twitchy but require the ski more on edge to feel the same grip.  The others (recently Rossis) seem by comparison to ski almost as though railed since the edge engages so quickly.

To me this is a personal preference.  I like the wider range of use an edge that does not so readily engage provides because I am teaching skiing and travelling various speeds and radius of turn.  For others who always have the ski on one edge or the other it is likely different.

All this being said - I agree the Peak has less edge hold than a sandwhich carving or racing ski.

Mike
post #20 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks for sharing experiences everyone. I think I will give Chip 78 a try.
post #21 of 28
 demo on your home mountain, before you buy.
 i wouldn't rush buying.... at this stage you can get a very good deal on just about any ski.
 if you have the chance try some blizzards (8.1" or 8.7's) and dynastar sultan 80's. there should be great deals on these.
 good luck
post #22 of 28
I just spent a week here in the east on a new pair of head peak 88 (next year's model-funky blue and green with a 'flow-ride' badge on the tip..) 175cm.  These were a warranty replacement for my Head monster 88's.

They are nothing (!!) like the old monsters.   Yes, same shape and turn radius, but the feel is really different.  Much softer. Easier to drift and manuver in bumps and trees.  Less capable crud buster.  Lacks that power-house big carver feel, but also more pleasantly lively than the old 88's.  They are also  softer and easier to manage the the 82's I've tried.  

Just saying, they are probably a much better 0ne-ski quiver for an easterner than the old head monster 88's and might stack up better against the im78 than many people think.

Liam
post #23 of 28
 Liam, personally I am not a fan of where Head is going with their "flowride" design. At the point of the Flowride, there feels like a hinge in the ski, when you flex it you can see how visible it is. When I skied the 82, I really felt the tip flopping around on harder snow. Personally, I would be afraid of taking the new design in the bumps for fear of bending them. 


Oh and putting my Mod hat on...lets please play a little more civil with each other here. Thanks. 
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

 Liam, personally I am not a fan of where Head is going with their "flowride" design. At the point of the Flowride, there feels like a hinge in the ski, when you flex it you can see how visible it is. When I skied the 82, I really felt the tip flopping around on harder snow. Personally, I would be afraid of taking the new design in the bumps for fear of bending them. 


Oh and putting my Mod hat on...lets please play a little more civil with each other here. Thanks. 

So that's what the 'flowride' means.  Yeah, the tips do feel a little floppy on hard snow (especially compared to the contact 4x4's I use as a daily drivers)-but, my experience with them in the bumps (Sunday at magic, rainy monday and stellar tuesday at Killington, and very sunny-stellar st. Paddy's day at Mt. Snow) was very positive (whether or not the tips will break remains to be seen, of course) but they felt great in the bumps (which were varying degrees of soft)-very forgiving of for a hacker like me.

Is the Flow-ride new to next season's ski??
post #25 of 28
I am about the same weight as the OP and have the iM78s in 171 cm.  I have not found any conditions in which I feel it performs badly, and it seems to be a very good all round performer.  Certainly a slaom ski will have beeter edge grip on icy hardpack, and a wider ski will have more float in deeper snow and crud but the iM78 strikes a nice balance for my type of skiing.  I like the tighter sidecut radius and performance in the bumps and steeps.  That said, I have often been tempted by the idea of a dedicated carver/slalom ski, and I'm not on the east coast.

I'm not certain how much difference there is between the iM78 and the Chip 78.  For me, the iM78 has been a very good chice.
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by Liam View Post


Is the Flow-ride new to next season's ski??
 


 The Peak series does get Flowride next year. IMHO, it will be short lived. 
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by chrisandy View Post

 well......... 
the first day , i felt only the bottoms of the skis, i couldn't set an edge. i sort of slid my way around for 2-3 runs.
i brought them to a different shop, since the owner of the shop where i bought them insisted that the factory tune is best. 
i skied them after the tuning and they skied well for that day.  the following day i was back to square one.
they didn't to like to turn and wouldn't respond unless i forced them. i noticed later that day the bindings were loose...
i tightened the bindings and skied them again. they were a tad better. I checked them with a bar ,the tune is bad once again. 
they are now being tuned and i'm giving them one more try. not what i expected..........

I think we all would like to know what is going on with your iM78's. Please let us know what
your new tuner finds out.

I have several friends on the Right Coast that own and love the iM78 and Peak 78. Most are mounted flat with Mojo 12's, but some have Railflex. They also say iM78 and Peak 78 are the same ski.

I found it to be too much ski for me.

I am a 61 year old male, 5' 1" tall and 135 pounds. I found I like the Fisher Heat 76 @150 cm.
the Fischer Progressor 7 @ 150cm, and the Fischer Koa 84 @ 150 cm. All mounted with Railflex.

About your tune, try one of the very best.

Check out: http://www.skimd.com/

I think Mike de Santis is the best tuner I have ever seen.

Good luck with your Heads. I think you will really like them when you get the tune right.
Edited by jonrpen - 3/20/10 at 4:39pm
post #28 of 28
 I'll let you know about the im 78's,  right now, the snow is soft and the prophet 90's are hard to beat.......
 i've never enjoyed one pair of skis as much as the p 90's. I wish Line made a similar ski in a narrower version.
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