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How do you get into a turn hard?

post #1 of 6
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Hey all,
Like the subject says, how do you go about really leaning into your turns like we see on worldcup courses and stuff? I can get down to a decent amount, but i really can't get to the point where my butt is skimming the surface? how exactly do I do that? what kind of techniques do I need to work on? or is it a mental thing?

post #2 of 6
Big edge angles and speed. Don't think about leaning into the turn, or you will be laying down on the snow... literally. Form follows function.

I'm sure others will have suggestions for haw to make it happen.
post #3 of 6

Just do what you are doing at about sixty miles per hour.

post #4 of 6
To produce inclination is easy. Extend one leg, shorten the other by flexing. Move your body laterally while keeping your hips and shoulders more or less level. This will produce high edge angles that will allow your skis to work. How to balance in this position might be the question. The balance is achieved by balancing against the force created. Creating such forces with the skis ought to be one avenue of exploration. How to adjust your balance while maintaining such angles is another. Fore and aft balance adjusted by varying the opening and closing of the ankle joint will enable you to maintain effective use of the skis. Rotate your legs using independent leg rotation and you will find you can adjust your overall lateral balance by adjusting the inclination of the upper body while maintaining the inclination of the lower body. You can produce this angulation by folding at the waist. Consider how much force you wish to produce and when you can use it. World Cup racers produce tremendous forces throughout the turn at the high speeds they ski. You may wish to reduce the duration of high forces in your turns to what is appropriate to your speed. Perhaps experiment with achieving maximum force very early in the turn, progressively relaxing through the remainder. How you blend all these things together is key. You may wish to visualize a line or a task. I like to watch the track produced by the really good carving snow boarders. It's an almost continuous line with a very short stitch at the point of cross over. The turns are smooth round curves. I like to try to achieve this kind line with skis, try to ski the skis very "long". Try to make cross over occur smoothly with no hesitation or unnecessary movements, achieve a very early edge in order to "carve' the entire turn. Doing all this and pulling it together requires confidence that you will find the forces there to balance against and confidence that the skis will indeed produce the arcs you wish to achieve. You will only realize these things with experimentation and practice and personal discovery.

My 2c.
post #5 of 6
To get the "feel" start with really wide stance moderate speed turns. As you become comfortable up the speed more and more. These will give you the "feel" of the angles and inclination you need to create a butt dragger! Careful you can scare yourself and make sure you move your upper body into the turn while you roll over onto both skis. Gravity will tell you weight distribution on your skis and the angles you need to create. Have fun but no hip slides please!
post #6 of 6
One way to do what Floyd mentioned is to experiment with a very wide, edged wedge. This will allow you to get a ski way out there while keeping the other under you for balance and reassurance as needed. Practice pressuring and weighting the outside ski while relaxing and "giving up" the inside one. Experiment with adjusting your fore and aft position on the outside ski to get it to work most effectively. When it is working it should produce considerable pressure to balance against. Gradually wean yourself from reliance on the inside ski to catch your balance on. As you become more and more comfortable with balancing on the outside ski you can give almost all of your weight to it. Eventually you will want to move your inside ski back out to be parallel with your outside ski. Move some of your weight to it, feel the edge pressure on it, and actively guide it or "steer" it (the inside ski) in conjunction with the outside ski and you will be there, developing some large edge angles, learning to really work your skis the way the racers do.

You can really develop huge edge angles this way and "show your bases". Its fun to experiment with these and see what they can be useful for. The important thing to get is that the skis should drive forward along the arc of the turn and the turn should largely be developed by the skis with minimal skidding.

[ January 06, 2003, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: arcadie ]
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