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New Intermediate, skis to grow with.

post #1 of 17
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Hey everyone, this is my first post. After reading a lot of articles, posts and reviews, I'm asking you all to help me solidify a decision of which ski to buy. I'm 5'7" 175 lb's, in the Northeast, skiing all groomers so far. I'm a new intermediate, meaning I've only begun skiing blues this year. I'm not yet looking to go as fast as I can as I'm still enjoy progressing and learning. I'm looking for a ski I can keep for a long time and to grow with me.

The one's I'm considering are
Salomon x-wing 6
Atomic Smoke Nomad (good price, yay)
K2 Apache Raiders
Dynastar Sultan 80
Volkl AC 3Motion

I'm not sure if some of these are over my head. I've read conflicting reviews about who should use some of these skis, like the Sultan 80 and Raiders are more for Intermediate to advanced then other places wrote they are good for beginners to intermediate. At this point I think flexibility (soft) is important, I tried a pair of old Atomic Pro Carv 6.20 and had a hard time with them because they were so stiff, my legs were killing me by the end of the day from pushing and didn't feel as confident as the rentals. But then I would like to be happy with them if I ever become more advanced and want to go a little faster, although I don't see myself racing anyone.

I'm thinking 160cm but a lot of the sizes come 156, 158 and 163. I was told by the guy at a local ski shop that 160 would be good for me. 

Any suggestions would be great,

 

C

post #2 of 17
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 Oh even models from 1-2 years ago would be fine. Trying not to spend a ton. But is harder to find info on older models and where they fall in the product line. I've considered at Fischer Red Heat and Heat and Dynastar Contact 10, '08-09. Any older skis that I would enjoy and save a couple of bucks. Or maybe I should continue to rent until I become a better intermediate?
post #3 of 17
I would add the Rossignol Z5 or Z9 to that list.  You can probably find a pair from a couple years ago pretty cheap.  I went from Atomic SX skis to the Z9 and have loved them.  I ski in NC and have found them to be a perfect eastern ski...I've even used it to race on in a local league.  Go with the 162, they ski shorter than lots of other skis.  Of course you can't go wrong with the Atomics or Volkls in the east either.  Hope this helps.
post #4 of 17
Hi, maybe invest in boots at this point, taking advantage of season sales, they are more important than skis at this stage. Seek advice only on which skis to DEMO. A specific description of what type of skiing in terms of terrain and ski characteristics you prefer will get you a short list of good skis for your skill level and terrain. I would DEMO first for skis. How much do you ski?
Edited by vwr1vwf - 3/9/10 at 3:28pm
post #5 of 17
Excellent advice from vwr1vwf.
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
Yes I agree, I made sure I bought boots first, I found a new pair of 2009 Beast 10's at a nice price last month, took a little work to find my size but I managed to and really like them. That's why I'm moving on to ski's now, it's the last piece I need. I'll probably ski about 6-7 times a year. I stick to groomed trails, I don't go very fast and trying to plow less and carve more. I would like to build my control before I think about speed. But if my driving is any indication I will eventually want to try to go faster. I don't think I'll be racing or anything, just keeping up with friends or personal curiosity. I'm trying to get the most for my money.
I'll look around for info on Z5 and Z9's too, thanks. So many models, I'm getting dizzy. The more I read the more I'm liking the Raiders and AC 3Motions or even the AC20. I'm thinking Sultan 80 maybe a bit much? I don't think I can really demo these, I live in NYC and it's a production to get to the mountains, I'm hoping I'm early enough in my development I can adjust.
post #7 of 17
No real difference at this stage.  Whichever has the deepest discount, that's what I just did
post #8 of 17
 Best bet would def be to get a proper fitting boot and demo skis to narrow down your list.  Your list has skis that will generate the turns from different places on the ski, as well as skis that will ski with completely different balance points, some will be much more suited to skiing from the ball of the foot, others from the heel, and others that are full-foot.
post #9 of 17
Skiing under 10 times per year,  what ever you buy will last, as long as you treat them right and are happy. On the other hand if you get curious, next year they will be your "rock skis". So having said that I agree with (Whoever). Good deals can be had on all the skis you listed above except the Sultan 80 maybe. I bought some 2007 X-wing 4's when I started skiing again and they did the trick, very smooth easy turners. You will also find the Apache Raider smooth and even easier to skid and scrub speed if needed. I would also check out the Elan intermediate all mountain line leftovers. I have the Sultan 80, it is alot of fun on and offf piste you will get use to it over a long w/e, it will also be very handy over the years as you progress.If you find a good deal on them,snag them in 172cm, they ski short. I would not go shorter than 165 in this ski given your weight and height
post #10 of 17
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@vw1vwf
I'll definitely take care of them, I'm good like that. I'm more concerned with something that will grow with my skill level. I was in Paragon Sports and the guy there was really helpful even after it was apparent they didn't have my size. Mentioned that I may be bored with the Raider after moving past mid intermediate because it's so forgiving (as he flexed way beyond I would dare to) He suggested the Volkl AC 3Motion (they didn't have my size so this wasn't a sales thing) and the Sultan 80, he also said I may like the Smoke TI (which they didn't carry) and Dynastar Booster 10.

Elan seems to fly below the radar, I don't see it all the time, I'll look.
Edited by Blikkem - 3/10/10 at 10:40am
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
Any good 2009 models I may be worth looking into? This is my first time looking for skis and know nothing of last years lines. I can save some bucks that way.
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 
How about the Fischer 2008 Red Heat?
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by Blikkem View Post

How about the Fischer 2008 Red Heat?

Given the tradition and nature of Fischer skis, you can expect them to deliver at much higher performance levels than they might be placed. Most likely gonna be a ski you can grow with, especially for 'eastern' type conditions.
They're prolly not an soft flexing ski,, 'flex' being a very subjective thing for all of us. However at 175 lbs and planning for a short length around the low 160s, you'll prolly not have a difficult time getting them flexing and working properly. New skiers often confuse 'flex' with torsional rigidity, which helps a ski edge stronger, which in turn means if you're smearing turns as opposed to 'carving', smearing would be harder to do as the ski edges more positively.
The Red Heats are also on the 'narrow' side of modern skis, at 74 mm waist. This would likely not be a consideration if you plan to spend most of your time on normal groomed runs.
If you plan to ski runs with some snow depth, out west or in the east after a good snow fall, then width becomes your friend.
The more 'avg' width for all-round skiing these days prolly falls in the 78-85 mm waist range (and tending more to over 80).
You might try demo-ing a wider ski and see how you like it, and see how it treats you.
That said, given some real value pricing, a 74 mm ski could easily serve you for a number of seasons as you progress. But do try a wider ski, just to have some comparo. Always a good thing.
post #14 of 17

I demoed the 2010 HEAD peak 76. I really enjoyed that ski on the groomers. It was very smooth and it seemed to do everything I wanted it to do with little to no effort. Check out HEAD's website and use the product selector for skill range on that ski. I think it is marketed as freeride but it was a blast on the sugared groomers and it held a good edge at speed. This would also be along the same line as the Sultan 80, very versitile and something you will keep in your quiver.

post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by vwr1vwf View Post

I demoed the 2010 HEAD peak 76. I really enjoyed that ski on the groomers. It was very smooth and it seemed to do everything I wanted it to do with little to no effort. Check out HEAD's website and use the product selector for skill range on that ski. I think it is marketed as freeride but it was a blast on the sugared groomers and it held a good edge at speed. This would also be along the same line as the Sultan 80, very versitile and something you will keep in your quiver.



Along that line, the older Head im78 I found to be great on groomed to 6" for my level 5-6.  I don't think I would go narrower, in fact I would go a bit wider......85 -88.  What's interesting is I recently demoed the Rossi S6 (110 waist) and on groomed it was easier for me than the im78......go figure.
Edited by Simplemind - 3/10/10 at 6:32pm
post #16 of 17
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Anyone have experience with the Volkl 3Motion 2008-09 model? Has it changed much in the 2009-10 model? At this point I'm trying to weigh in everything I've been reading with price. I went to a local shop and the guy was really into skiing talking to me about everything. He wanted me to demo the 3Motion, Smoke TI and Sultan 80. The more I read the more I like the Sultan 80s, they sound like they are pretty versatile and will grow with me. I'm leaning also towards the 3Motions that sound like they will stay with me a long time as well. 

I think I'll be sticking to groomed trails around the northeast, any trips out west may involve renting until I plan on going regularly.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
OK so I found a set of 08 Red Heat with FS10 Flexrail2 at a really good price. They will be matted with my Nordica Beast 10's (80 flex) I think they could grow with me for a long time. My only concern is they would be too much for me as an early intermediate (are they forgiving enough?). I feel as though I maxed out the type 1 rental skis, I went fast enough to feel them rattle the last couple of times out. I need the forgiveness because I'm not good at carving yet and use the skid to control my speed. I take my progress fairly cautiously only trying new things when I'm confident, but I'm not afraid of wiping out.  I could be better then I think. Any input before I do this?
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