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post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
In 2 weeks, I'll be going skiing in Bormio Italy. I plan to take 3 days of classes, but my choices are complex. The mountain has more than 1 ski school. Also, you have the choice of taking either a general ski lesson or a carving lesson. For carving, you need to be an Italian level 5. The problem is, I can't find any info on their rating system.

In New England, at easy resorts like Bretton Woods, I'm about a level 6. Sunday River would put me at level 4. If I go out to Whistler, level 3. I plan to go out to Mount Snow next Weekend for last minute skill enhancement. I will be asking my instructors to take me a bit out of my comfort zone.

My question: Although I'd love to take a "carving" class, I have no idea if I'm an Italian level 5. If anyone has info on the Italian rating system, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #2 of 8
the Italian ratings use(d) to go 1 to 6, where 6 was the top. After that: racing (clinics).

My info are dating back to 1992, since the copy of the teacher's book (Sci Italiano)
I have is a little bit outdated but, as far the "base" skill levels I do not think
much has changed...

The level 5 refers to the ability to concatenate driven turns, executed with
varying radius and speed, on any kind of terrain... with the skis parallel and very
close to each other, but not so close as to come in contact
(no skid at any point of the turn). The body weight is to be kept mainly on the external
ski, but you show hints to be able to vary that.

To put the things into perpsective, level 4 refers to the ability to execute
the so called Kristiania (Herr Gangl, help! I think you know the English for this) and to
concatenate those turns.
Level 6 was referring to the so-called "Supertecnica", this was an attempt to teach
carve technique without the shaped skis (yet to come in 1992), it was all done by you, your body
and your ability to feel how your skis where interacting with the terrain in any given
moment, you had also to be able to vary your weigth distribution as required, plus a ton of other

I called at FISI but they haven't updated their site with the information yet: www.fisi.org.
Beware, the site is in italian language only.

Anyway, do not worry, at any Italian resorts there are normally at least two authorized
(by FISI/COSCUMA, which is the governing body) schools, so if in doubt which to choose
ask advice to your hotel clerk...or ask for the "holyday assistant" if exists where you stay...
Go to the school of your choice, talk to the teachers, that's more important.
Then, which kind of class are you thinking of taking?
Group or single(private)?
If you choose group lessons, the first day all participants will be tested so to
divide people of roughly the same skills into homogeneous groups...
A typical "class" starts on Sunday (or Monday) morning with the "selection" and then goes on all
week mon-fri 2-3 hours every morning...
If you choose "single"(private) lessons, meaning only you and maybe a friend or relative
then you choose how much time and for how many days and the topics you wish to work on,
but I think this is hardly different from any other ski school in the world, isn't it?
Moreover, I suspect that the "carving" lessons they are offering refer to
FUN-CARVING (check at http://www.valtline.it/Scuolascibormio )

If any ski instructor is reading this:
Mercy! Be simpathetic, I'm trying to translate directly to English, and I may have
not xlated everything correclty. I am just trying to give Lisamarie a rough idea of what
the levels were in Italy. Again, I am NOT an instructor...so I may be able to perform
what described (but maybe not). An instructor must be able not only to perform but also
to explain in real world words the concepts (which obviously I can't).

I am waiting to receive my updated copy of "Sci Italiano" (year 1998...)
My guess is that they have brought up to date the thing but not totally scrapped the "base"

Lisamarie keep it in mind that everything will look easier once onsite, words are just...
words, most important is that You
Enjoy your holyday in Bormio!

P.S. I find the PSIA levels easier to understand
Sorry for the long and confusing post...
post #3 of 8
Nobody, you are doing great with your english, no need to apologize.

>>> level 4 refers to the ability to execute
the so called Kristiania (Herr Gangl, help! I think you know the English for this) <<<

Kristiania= christy (christie), a turn that ends with the skis parallel, it can be intiated many ways and can be slipped or carved. Hundred or so years ago when the term was coined the skis had heel-free leather binding and were mostly skied in the telemark style, but when initiating the turn in the telemark and then briging the skis parallel to end the turn it is a christy.

Technically, all turn that end that way are christies. Wedge christy, stem christy, hop christy, parallel christy including carving parallel christy.

Some schools have seperated carving from the slipped christies, but even wedge christies can be carved. A carved turn is nothing more than a parallel christy with high edge angle to reduce or eleiminate slipping.

post #4 of 8
Lisamarie, have your husband grab your butt and say " You need to move your hips this way." Repeat 15 times. If you can handle this, you are ready for Italian ski school level 3. I can't say here what you need for level 5!
post #5 of 8
Lisamarie, I suspect that when the italians ask for being able to do a Kristiania=christy, they mean a parallel turn.
post #6 of 8
Ott, correct, in fact parallel turns
are introduced in level 3.
Level 3 to level 4 turns are slipped, from level 5 on turns are carved.
I'm out to bed now...
post #7 of 8
Thread Starter 
Nobody, Molto Grazie! Looks like in Italy, its going to be level 3. I studied Italian in Perugia one summer, but it was about 20 years ago. It was one of the best summers in my life Although I vowed to review my language skills before this trip, my passion has been caught up in skiing.

Miles, my husband loved your comment, but I'm getting a little bruised, damn you!
BTW, what's your problem with Italian ski instructors? {LOL}

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #8 of 8
Lisamarie, my pleasure.
If I'm not too nosy, I've posted
into Resort and travel asking how you
will travel to Bormio and how you selected it
for your holyday...

Think what You say
Say what You think
but most important
once You've said it, DO it.
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