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Superfeet RedHot Insoles - Improves my Boot Fit!

post #1 of 16
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Usually the 'little stuff' doesn't get the mention it often deserves in making a ski day better, but in this case these insoles have made a HUGE improvement for me.
Before I get into the brief comments on the Superfeet Red Hot Insoles, I'll give a little history and some lead-up to the use of them.
I found the Fischer Soma X100 ski boot last to be a great 'Fit' for performance and for fit (thanks to a great demo experience at Footloose Sports in Mammoth).
I have a low volume foot, less than medium width. with high arch / instep, a bunch of bone spurs which require some boot mods, and slightly longer mid toes than big toe. And now, probably because of aging I over-pronate enough to where my ankle areas can feel unsupported and take the brunt of hard edging on a full day of skiing.superfeetred-SM.jpg

Coming back to skiing after a 10 year layoff has been an awakening of obvious changes. The skiing part has come back quickly; but most critical has been the need for New Boots.
I did get my Fischers and made some initial mods to accomodate my bone spurs. Took them out for their first day a few months back and found them to NOT be quite like the ones I had demo'd. Fully aware that I was skiing them with the stock footbeds, I quickly purchased the Superfeet 'Green' footbed, since that was what popped up in my search online for the appropriate next step in a replacement footbed.
Skied them again, and although better, my feet (both sides) were still overpronating enough within the boot to cause considerable pressure on the inside of the foot and ankle, and for sore points to develop after a long, full day.
Then I remembered that the boots from Footloose had a RED colored insole...
Looked at the Superfeet lineup again and realized that the boots I had Demo'd had the SuperFeet Red Hot insoles in them.
Bought a pair of those and a week ago got my first chance to ski the day in the Fischers with the Red Hots inserted!.

WOOT!

This was it!, The Real Deal!

The boots now felt and skied just like the demo's I had tried. A full day of hard skiing with comfort, performance and no real hot spots! I was Stoked!

Looking at the SuperFeet Red Hots and comparing them to the Green Insoles (and many other replacment insoles on the market); the most obvious difference (besides the foil in the forefoot area) is the supportive 'ridge/plateau which runs around the bottom perimeter of the entire heel area. This support definitely seems to help stack my ankle area properly and not allow it to over-pronate when edging ( as compared to the Green Foot beds). Which in turn, means no over-pressuring of the inside ankle area.
This may not make a big difference for some, but for me they are a HUGE improvement in support / alignment.
As an additional note. These foot beds do seem a bit thicker at the heel, than the others and very slightly increase the interior ramp angle. But even with consideration for my very high instep, I had no problems with fit for heel pocket or any increased pressure on the instep area. Performance-wise the increase in ramp angle seemed very comfortable in fore-aft balance and may have actually improved that for me.
These Superfeet Rd Hot Insoles have made an already great skiing boot into the best fit/performance I've ever had in all my years of skiing.
  A relatively in-expensive product with a HUGE effect for improvement; SuperFeet Red Hot Insoles get a Gold Medal, Thumbs Up, from me!
post #2 of 16
I used to have a pair of these, tell me how you feel in 2 weeks, because thats how long it takes for them to lose effectiveness.  They are made of foam, just like the liner of your boots, and they pack out even faster due to the amount of force going through the bottom of your foot.
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by chesterfield View Post

I used to have a pair of these, tell me how you feel in 2 weeks, because thats how long it takes for them to lose effectiveness.  They are made of foam, just like the liner of your boots, and they pack out even faster due to the amount of force going through the bottom of your foot.
 
I did the same. The SF insoles were great the for the first several days. Then after about 10 days they were packed out and I had pain on the bottom of my left foot.

Had custom footbeds made (my old ones didn't work in my new boots) and now I have happy feet.
post #4 of 16
I use blue and green SF in all my shoes and one pair of ski boots. There are three levels of thickness with red being the thickest, hardest to find around here and intended for ski boot use. The foam may settle in a little but I can sure feel the arch support after a full season in my golf shoes and almost every day in my work shoes. I agree they will not last indefinitely like some of the firm custom made orthotics - I have them too in my other pair of ski boots.
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by chesterfield View Post

I used to have a pair of these, tell me how you feel in 2 weeks, because thats how long it takes for them to lose effectiveness.  They are made of foam, just like the liner of your boots, and they pack out even faster due to the amount of force going through the bottom of your foot.

Will do...
right now I have 5 full, hard skiin days with them and they feel just as good as the first day.
when you say 'foam', mine have a very dense , almost hard plastic, base which can be seen from rear of arch to back of heel. This material is NOTHING like the stock footbeds you get in boots. Were your's the same model, or maybe they changed the composition since your purchase? These are way different than the Green (and so also the blue) insoles.
These are clearly as dense as the custom footbeds I had the last time I had some made... And my custom footbeds did not have the support ridge as pronounced as these do.
The footbed 'liner' which covers the heel base and forefoot area is, however, just a denser version
of 'footbed foam'. Still, the forefoot area does seem to have some better support than most aftermarket footbeds.
My alignment problems originate at the heel area, and that is where these footbeds shine.

But I will report back after I get about 15-20 days on them.
I'm gonna 'mic' the heel dimensions (thickness, not counting the foam cover layer...) and see if and how that changes over time. My 5 day experience seems to be in line with Steveturner's comments.
I was figuring if I got 40-45 days out of them (that'd be a little over a $1 a day) , I'd be totally stoked, since the last pair of custom corks only lasted about that same period.
BTW, I'm 165 lbs, how much do you weigh? (might be a consideration for faster breakdown)
post #6 of 16
Funny timing for me for this thread.

I was just skiing with a gal that is paid to post reviews, blogs, and twitter feeds that play up and promote various products (that she has never used or seen).

She mentioned she's paid by the hour, some people are paid per hundred words.

She also mentioned she is competing against people that are paid to write _negative_ reviews of some of those same products.

Caveat emptor.

Dave
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
You mean I could make some dough doin this ?
crazy...
but that would be the interweb

ah, would you call your skiin gal an entrepreneur? or just a whore?

here's my set... review is my experience, ymmv
redhot-boot.jpg

true, there's a bunch of noise along with signal on epic, but I've been able to sift some pretty good info which has helped me make some good decisions in the past few months. Tried to add some value where I think I have a legit opinion.

lotta legit, good people on epic, a few trolls


am I taking offense? you bet
post #8 of 16
 I had the hot pink superfeet in my boots before I got custom foot beds.  If I couldn't afford custom foot beds, I'd most definitely go back to Superfeet.  I really liked them, in fact, I still have them in my old boots that I keep around for back up, and I have my old(er) pair of super feet in my cycle shoes.

I got my sister to use them in her boots, which have solved some of her minor foot issues, too.

Nice review moreoutdoor.
post #9 of 16
 What I have seen with most Superfeet is that people are assume just because you are an 9 (or 26) that you are a "D", not the case. The arch needs to be measured, in most cases that person with a 26 might be an E or even an F. This is why htey are called a "trim to fit". The cases where I have seen people not satisfied is when they are in the wrong size bed. I still think these are the best $50.00 upgrade that can be done to any boot. Is it as good as a full custom, no but a helluva lot better than the stock piece of foam that comes in the shell. 
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 I still think these are the best $50.00 upgrade that can be done to any boot. Is it as good as a full custom, no but a helluva lot better than the stock piece of foam that comes in the shell. 

too true, but they are also a lot better than a badly made custom footbed
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

 What I have seen with most Superfeet is that people are assume just because you are an 9 (or 26) that you are a "D", not the case. The arch needs to be measured, in most cases that person with a 26 might be an E or even an F. This is why htey are called a "trim to fit". The cases where I have seen people not satisfied is when they are in the wrong size bed. I still think these are the best $50.00 upgrade that can be done to any boot. Is it as good as a full custom, no but a helluva lot better than the stock piece of foam that comes in the shell. 


Phil is 100% right about measuring arch length - I use an F, even though my shoe size would put me into a E. I have a longer arch length...

 

Follow-up to earlier review

 

I now have 60 days on these, in the same boot, and has seen no appreciable breakdown in the footbed. Certainly none in the arch to heel area, The area under the ball of foot and toes shows small weight indentation, but hardly enough to show serious compact of the forefoot dense foam. Not sure how many more days I'll get, but I would think another 25-30 should be a minimum.

They may not make as dramatic an improvement for some, but for me these have been well worth my money.

post #12 of 16

Superfeet are great but this year I switched to Conformable and found them to be more comfortable.  they have three different insole arch sizes, which I felt was easier to match my arch than the SF.  

post #13 of 16

I like the idea for my cold feet: 27.5 and 10D in shoes. Should I get the 9.5-11 size?
 

post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by moreoutdoor View Post

You mean I could make some dough doin this ?
crazy...
but that would be the interweb

ah, would you call your skiin gal an entrepreneur? or just a whore?

here's my set... review is my experience, ymmv
redhot-boot.jpg

true, there's a bunch of noise along with signal on epic, but I've been able to sift some pretty good info which has helped me make some good decisions in the past few months. Tried to add some value where I think I have a legit opinion.

lotta legit, good people on epic, a few trolls


am I taking offense? you bet
I don't blame you. Your photos prove it up. Nice post; I'm ordering a pair!

 
post #15 of 16

Keeping it going!  Bumped threads rock!

 

^^^No doubt the best $50.00 upgrade any skier can purchase.  Any support is better than no support- as long as it doesn't throw you off balance.  The foot is surprisingly accommodative and will adapt to nearly anything.  Off the Shelf (OTS) inserts fit some people very well.  They have to- numerous companies sell millions/year.

 

Like most things in life, it boils down to just a couple of flavors.  OTS inserts are either soft and squishy- offering immediate comfort but lacking long term structure and performance.  The other is rigid and firm and uses longer lasting, more supportive materials that will require some breaking in. 

 

Take into consideration and watch: Poor trim jobs.  Usually too long.  Insert rolls up and crowds toe box area.  Ask your boot guy to grind the edge smoothly using bontex as a guide.  Medial arches are too short.

 

OTS inserts frequently have a large or high heel cup.  This can force the skier or snowbaorder to the front of the boot- again trim job is important.

 

High(er) end bootfitters charge $50.00 to customize the insert.  A great option if you are pressed for bread and can't spend $150-300+ for a custom footbed.  Sure for $44.95 I'll trim it for you and send you out the door, but image a pretty good bootfitter taking the time put a wedge on it or grind the heel some.  It can be a great value for about $100.00.

 

Here is a pic of a super feet that was cramming a guy to the front of the boot.  A solid fit- Lange RS130 I think- he just needed to be down and back a little.  A slight grind relieved pressure on the instep and gave his toes some wiggle room.

 

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Depending on where you're at, we're ~135 days from the North American season!  Think Snow!

post #16 of 16
I just purchased these insoles. Haven't skied with them yet but wanted to give some measurements before breaking them in. Hard to do a thickness measurement at the heel section because of the plastic cup but at least for the tip I measured a thickness of 4mm, after compressing as hard as I could measured 2mm thickness. That should give you an idea about how much the thickness may vary as you use them. .
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