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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I am thinking of hitting Killington, Stowe or Whiteface this week Wed-Fri.  All have similar weather forecasts.  Any thoughts on which would be best in these warmish conditions?  I have skied K-ton many times, including the last few years and enjoy the fact that Pico is right there too to break it up for a day.  I skied Stowe many years ago when I was young, but not since then.

I am driving from Baltimore so K-ton is every so slightly an easier drive than Stowe but they are pretty close together.

Thanks!

Danny
post #2 of 22
 Stowe is skiing very well right now. Tons of snow. We're still getting below freezing at night. If we weren't I'd say that one advantage K has is lifts that only go partway so you don't have to ski the sludge at the bottom of the hill every run. So far though, the snow has been staying nice up here.
post #3 of 22
Sorry I can't help you out to much. I think both mountains are great places. K probably has a bit more variety if your skiing for 3 days + like you said Pico is next door. You could do both K & Stowe if you want also. Stowe is about 1 hr 40 min drive north on Rt.100 from K with Sugarbush (which is 2 separate ski areas) & Mad River less than an hrs. drive. Sorry for throwing more ski areas into the mix. I'm planning on skiing all 3 either this week or next myself. Stowe has less variety but much longer runs than K which is something to consider also. You can get lost for 3 days between Sugarbush & Mad River also with all 3 mountains having great skiing. I don't know if it's economically feasable anymore but back in the day you could purchase a cheap single ride ticket up the Big Spruce chair at Stowe (actually they used to have single ride coupon books) then an easy traverse across a frozen lake on top of Spruce & spend the day skiing Smugglers Notch & then back to Stowe at the end of the day if variety is what your looking for. The back side of Big Spruce (which has a southern exposure) is part of Smuggs with Smuggs having the better side of the mtn. as far as exposure is concerned. To drive from Stowe to Smuggs will take at least an hr. if not more. Sorry if I confused you even more but I'm just trying to give you more ideas.
post #4 of 22

I forgot to add , which pertains to your original question that if you worried about spring conditions one of the best places to ski would be Mt. Ellen at Sugarbush. You can stay on top of the mountain (which happens to be pretty high in elevation) all day long without having to come down to the bottom. They even have a mid-mountain lodge that serves food. It would still have mid-winter conditions well after other places turn to mush. I used to love skiing late season at Mt. Ellen just for this reason. To bad they close it earlier than Lincoln Peak now although you could ski the top of Lincoln Peak (Heavens Gate chair) all day & not come down but Mt. Ellen always held the snow for much longer.

post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
 Yeah I guess I just find it easier to go to one place, not worry about moving around.  Plus the package deals for midweek are pretty great.  If any of you weather forecast experts has an opinion as to whether this week or next week might be significantly better than the other, let me know.  I see some rain/snow coming over the weekend, I tend to think it will be rain given the temps...does anyone think I'd be better off waiting to ski next week?
post #6 of 22
 Go now. That's my advice.
post #7 of 22
Ditto that. The long range weather forcast has rain starting sometime Fri. & continuing into next week.
post #8 of 22
Skiing at K-ton today, everything is in great shape, if you want soft spring like snow ski on the Bear mountain side, firmer packed powder in the canyons area, tree skiing off of Killington peak is in great shape, saw very minimal rock outcroppings at the very bottom of Anarchy and Julio glades, best coverage I have seen this year in there.As epic said don't wait ski it this week.
post #9 of 22
Thanks for todays report. I left K Thurs. after skiing 4 straight days. Mon & Tues were spring like weather but the snow stayed good all over (didn't soften up even at Bear). Wed. skied Surgarbush, it cooled down overnight & skiing was a bit scatchy . Thurs was still cool but K was in good shape. I'll be at K 9am Wed morning hopefully skiing till Fri. if it doesn't start raining. Might take a ride up to Stowe on Thurs, we'll see.
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
 I decided on Stowe...just reserved a room at the Innsbruck for Tues-Thurs night.  So skiing Wed-Fri.  Might pop down to Sugarbush Fri if I feel like it.  Big drive tomorrow!!  So worth it!
post #11 of 22

stowe1.jpgstowe.jpgGood Good choice Zurbriggen. Hope you have a great trip.

Here's a couple of pics from Stowe taken yesterday just to wet your appetite.

 

post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
 Pretty great couple of days here at Stowe.  Tomorrow I will hit Smuggs or Jay Peak...never been to either.  Anyone have a thought on wether Jay is better enough to warrant driving an hour north over Smuggs which is right here?  One factor is I have to drive back to Baltimore afterward...but if Jay is worth it I would go.

I guess it would help to say I am an int/advanced skier...not a mogul fan, but I like some steep stuff.

Choosing tomorrow would be about conditions over anything I guess...does Jay look to have better snow tomorrow?

Here's a pic from Stowe yesterday24179_10150139000005221_678095220_11437837_6189901_n.jpg
post #13 of 22
Between the two, if you're not a mogul/tree fan, skip Jay and go to Smuggs. Smuggs has nice trees but has some really nice steep (and not so steep) groomers. Jay's groomers suck big time.
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by Zurbriggen Fan View Post

 Pretty great couple of days here at Stowe.  Tomorrow I will hit Smuggs or Jay Peak...never been to either.  Anyone have a thought on wether Jay is better enough to warrant driving an hour north over Smuggs which is right here?  One factor is I have to drive back to Baltimore afterward...but if Jay is worth it I would go.

I guess it would help to say I am an int/advanced skier...not a mogul fan, but I like some steep stuff.

Choosing tomorrow would be about conditions over anything I guess...does Jay look to have better snow tomorrow?

Here's a pic from Stowe yesterday24179_10150139000005221_678095220_11437837_6189901_n.jpg
 
I have been to Stowe and Jay but not Smuggs and that being said I would definitely choose Jay over Smuggs.  Smuggs while close to Stowe "as the crow flies" is a good 45 minute/1 hour drive around the mountain since the access road is closed in winter.  Jay all the way!
post #15 of 22
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Between the two, if you're not a mogul/tree fan, skip Jay and go to Smuggs. Smuggs has nice trees but has some really nice steep (and not so steep) groomers. Jay's groomers suck big time.


this is such mis info!!

Smuggs has un freaking believeable steep/tree/bump skiing. Jay doesnt scare me like smuggs does.

besides the weekends or when Jay get snows I d choose smuggs over it any day.
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post





this is such mis info!!

Smuggs has un freaking believeable steep/tree/bump skiing. Jay doesnt scare me like smuggs does.

besides the weekends or when Jay get snows I d choose smuggs over it any day.


 

I was at Smuggs a week ago and did 6 days of skiing there.  I totally agree with BushwackerinPA.  There was a TON of bump and glade skiing at Smuggs!!  There are definitely steeps options as well, but there is no shortage of bumps and glades.
post #17 of 22
I've wamted to ski Smuggs for a long time, but the logistics seem intractable.  It is too far for a day trip, but there don't seem to be any motels nearby!  Staying near Stowe and driving all the way around seems to be the least bad answer, and it isn't good.  The lodging on the Smuggs site seems to be all condos for families/groups.  Anybody know any other optioms?
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by mdf View Post

I've wamted to ski Smuggs for a long time, but the logistics seem intractable.  It is too far for a day trip, but there don't seem to be any motels nearby!  Staying near Stowe and driving all the way around seems to be the least bad answer, and it isn't good.  The lodging on the Smuggs site seems to be all condos for families/groups.  Anybody know any other optioms?

Went a month ago for the first time and we enjoyed it a lot.  As mentioned trees were great.   We drove from Stowe but we saw places to stay in Jeffersonville one of the closer towns to Smuggs.  If you want to stay close i would suggest searching Jeffersonville and the towns close by.
post #19 of 22

I skied Wed, Thurs & Fri this week. Wed at Killington was sunny with temps in the low 40's but for the most part the mountain never softened up with the exception of lower Bear Mtn. Skiing was good for the most part with plenty of loose snow with only a few trails being a bit scratchy in the middle. Thurs again skiing Killington temps were about the same & it was overcast. I was going to head up to Stowe but decided against it because the mountain hadn't softened up the day before & I wanted to save it for a better day. That was a mistake because believe it or not the whole mtn. had softened up overnight despite the cloud cover & I'm sure Stowe was the same way. Skiing was great with perfect spring conditions, snow was soft but not to soft. I almost got taken out on lower Ovation when 2 guys collided then slid at least 100 yards down to the bottom just missing me. Had to call ski patrol for one of them but I found out later he was alright with only a bruised shin. Man that trail is steep. Fri. I headed over to Pico. The top 1/2 of the mountain was very foggy & the snow had softened up to much. Skiing wasn't very good, it was like skiing in mashed potato's & was very difficult to manuever in. They were forcasting strong winds & heavy rain for the weekend but from what I've heard they missed the rain & only got the wind so far. I hope that holds up.

As for the Smuggs conversation I'm not a big fan of the place. They invested a lot of money in condo's but have put absolutely no money into the mountain. They still have the old slow lifts that they've had for 40 years. It can be a great mtn. to ski but they need a ton of snow to cover up the very rocky terrain there & they don't make much snow or groom very well. I skied there last month & even after over a foot of snow most of the better terrain was still closed. The only steep trail that was open on Madona Mtn was lower FIS which they had made snow on & it was still a sheet of ice. The rest of Madona was windblown rock & ruble except for the 2 intermediate trails that wind around the outside. The skiing at Sterling was much better but still not great. It will be a long time before I go back there again if ever. I did notice a few places to stay on the access road leading to the mountain besides the ton of condo's on the mountain.


Edited by steamboat1 - 3/13/10 at 1:15pm
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post





this is such mis info!!

Smuggs has un freaking believeable steep/tree/bump skiing. Jay doesnt scare me like smuggs does.

besides the weekends or when Jay get snows I d choose smuggs over it any day.


 
I think you read me wrong (or maybe I've stated it wrong). I meant to say exactly what you said. But, since the OP is not into bumps, I stressed on the groomers assuming that is what he likes to do.
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by mdf View Post

I've wamted to ski Smuggs for a long time, but the logistics seem intractable.  It is too far for a day trip, but there don't seem to be any motels nearby!  Staying near Stowe and driving all the way around seems to be the least bad answer, and it isn't good.  The lodging on the Smuggs site seems to be all condos for families/groups.  Anybody know any other optioms?
You can rent by the day (at least you used to be able to). Just call and ask. Not cheap tho.
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by steamboat1 View Post

As for the Smuggs conversation I'm not a big fan of the place. They invested a lot of money in condo's but have put absolutely no money into the mountain. They still have the old slow lifts that they've had for 40 years. It can be a great mtn. to ski but they need a ton of snow to cover up the very rocky terrain there & they don't make much snow or groom very well. I skied there last month & even after over a foot of snow most of the better terrain was still closed. The only steep trail that was open on Madona Mtn was lower FIS which they had made snow on & it was still a sheet of ice. The rest of Madona was windblown rock & ruble except for the 2 intermediate trails that wind around the outside. The skiing at Sterling was much better but still not great. It will be a long time before I go back there again if ever. I did notice a few places to stay on the access road leading to the mountain besides the ton of condo's on the mountain.

Fast lifts and snow making are not the things that Smuggs is good for. Many can defend the former but not so much the latter. But, if you're looking for nothing but just snowblown groomers in the Northeast. You are in the wrong spot again. You have many other options.

Also, you are wrong about them not putting money into the mountain (even though I somewhat agree with the Condo argument). For example, they have cut tons of tree trails over the last 5 years or so -- on and off the map. They redid Madonna lift to greatly reduce downtime due to high wind. They have widen several places in Sterling to allow for better intermediate access (which many old timer and locals objected). As for close trails, I don't know what you want them to do. Most of those trails are natural trails and I don't think you can expect any other ski areas to do otherwise without snow coverage (MRG included).
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