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Are they finishing their turns? If not, does it mean that their speed increases after every turn?
Secondly, I notice that most professional racers ski in wide stance whereas most people in my local hill carve in narrow stance.
Which one is better? Is the width of the stance determined by the speed you travel and the steepness of the hill?
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Are they finishing their turns? It appears to me they are  If not, does it mean that their speed increases after every turn? Speed slows during finish and increases after initiation
Secondly, I notice that most professional racers ski in wide stance whereas most people in my local hill carve in narrow stance. OK, Are you looking at the tracks in the snow or the skier? Steepness of the hill as well as the amount of flex in the skiers legs can make the skiers stance(width) look deceiving.
Which one is better? Depends Is the width of the stance determined by the speed you travel and the steepness of the hill? Yes, plus snow conditions.
 
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Are they finishing their turns? If not, does it mean that their speed increases after every turn?

They are as 'finished' as they need to be given the gradient and the speed they want to maintain

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Secondly, I notice that most professional racers ski in wide stance whereas most people in my local hill carve in narrow stance.
Which one is better? Is the width of the stance determined by the speed you travel and the steepness of the hill?

As long as your legs can work independently easily stance is a personal thing, you see skiers on the WC with narrow and wide stances.
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The turns are complete for the training effect that was intended.  In other instances they might run even more in the fall line.  At that level, they would not normally run the turn any further across the fall line, except sometimes in warmup exercises.

The stance width is appropriate for the training effect that was intended. For GS, you want sufficient width in your track that you have stability, but not so wide that mobility is restricted.  For SL you might want to go a bit narrower for edge to edge quickness.

Note that the video clip you showed is five years old, and in more current videos, you'll see examples of more stance variation. 
post #5 of 8
Just like a race car and sports car has a wider stance for added stability so does a ski racer.   The fastest skiers of all, speed skiers, keep a wide stance for improved tuck and added stability at 150mph.
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Note that the video clip you showed is five years old, and in more current videos, you'll see examples of more stance variation.

Check out Reinfred Herbst, (this seasons WC SL star) & Manfred Pranger who has narrowed his stance significantly in the last 2 seasons.  Stance width should be comfortable & functional to the situation.  In SL, a narrow stance is quicker edge to edge.

BTW Bode Miller has always had a relatively narrow stance.

JF
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BTW Bode Miller has always had a relatively narrow adaptive stance.

Corrected. 

Bode's stance adapts to the situation at hand.  He has one of the most fluid stances on the World Cup circuit, which fits his über-dynamic skiing style.

The trend, of late, is for SL specialists to narrow their stance, while GS and above get progressively wider for better stability.  A narrow stance is far less beneficial outside of SL, where tracking the most inside line is not always the tactic at hand (not that it's always the right tactic in SL, but it's far easier to do with single-pole, non-flagged gates).  Herbst and Pranger are somewhat one-trick-ponies in terms of their SL skiing, which is their choice.  The French men have a slightly wider stance, but a lot of their guys (Lizeroux and Grange, for example) are branching out into GS and speed events to become all-around powers and compete for overall points status.  Kostelic has a wide stance compared to most of the SL powerhouses, but he's also a true all-event skier and it works to his advantage (he's also taller than the Austrian SL specialists, as a side note).
post #8 of 8
Stance width has always worked out to be wider for DH than SL, groomed than bumped or powder.  Nothing new here.  Just let the skis fall where they work best.  Wide takes more time to get both skis to swap edges.  Wide affords more stability and independent bump suspension.  Wide exposes the skis to greater chance of differing conditions on either ski.  Wide increases the effect of lateral weighting errors.
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