Helluva, I was who wrote the dogma comment. I was not directing that comment at you as much as challenging everyone to explore the idea Bob expressed before offering a conclusion based solely on dogma and convention.
As far as I'm concerned I see a lot of too forward skiers who exhibit a variety of errors due to being too forward, as well as too aft. The later contributing to the "need" to pull back the inside foot. Allowing that foot to advance too far ahead of the inside hip (and the CoM in general), is the point I've been trying to make. Don't allow that to occur and the "need" for a big realignment movement disappears, That's not to say holding that foot back doesn't occur, it does and IMO is the better alternative in a baseline model.
I would also like to offer a few examples of" too far forward skiing" I see on a regular basis. Notice none of these skiers are WC level but they are all experiencing a too forward levered stance issue.
- Absteming at the end of a turn due to excessive tip pressure along with some unintentional tail wash-out.
- Winsheild wiper turns, or a skidded turn with a pivot point in the tips of the skis. We all own this move and might use it occasionally but if it's an elemental part of every turn, it's a sure sign of a balance issue and using the tongue as a balance "crutch".
- An inability to absorb moguls, or washboards because the skier is levered so far forward that there is little or no RoM left in the ankles.
- Rotary Push Off transitions often occur as a direct result of levering forward excessively.
As an addition to the basic dual paths concept I feel the graphic is a conversation starter, which is why I added it to this thread. I want to thank you for sharing your opinion. BTW I shared that opinion until recently. Tony Sears and Bob had a heck of a time convincing me to be more open to the idea that tongue pressure isn't an elemental ingredient in all ski turns.
I think we are on the same page with the "holding back" to eliminate the need to pull the feet back. To eliminate the need, it implies that at one time there was a need, so the skier/coach had to do something about it. Going from point A with the feet too far in front, to point B with the feet back enough to create sufficient forward pressure requires the change that we are talking about. It may be a subtle or large recentering depending on the severity of the issue, but until the skier has such a command of holding the feet back to not need the recentering, they are going to need a way to recenter.
I don't agree that the list of things you listed as examples of skiers too far forward applies to this discussion because except for the bumps bullet point, the examples are likely of a low level skier who is broken at the waist to put their CM as far forward as it is. If you put them upright they are actually probably in the backseat.
FWIW, (this probably won't come as a shock to you) I don't consider Bob or Tony [what little skiing I've seen on Tony] to be extremely forward skiers. Compared to the general population they are forward, but compared to the best in the business they are still missing sections of the turn as a result of being too passive (IMO of course). Both are very good skiers though... I just probably have the fore/aft bar set a bit higher than what you'd find at ski school.