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Understanding ski construction (Pre 800 skis)

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Ok, just to start out... I just started skiing this year, have been about 8 times, and I'm skiing double blues and blacks fairly comfortably. Unless the runs have moguls. I tried 94 turns on Ninety-nine 90 at The Canyons and it was pretty bad. I haven't gotten any training or tips on skiing from experienced skiers and have done alright but now I'm getting into things that I feel I need advice on technique and practice. 

Up until 2 ski days ago I was renting then I found a good deal on a pair Rossignol S3s with Griffon Marker bindings. So the first time I skied on them it felt like my first time skiing. I'm not entirely sure why, but it was very difficult to adapt to. But by the end of the day I felt pretty comfortable. Went out again and that's when I started doing blacks regularly and tried Ninety-nine 90 (foolishly). 

So now I want to get really good at moguls (been watching videos and how-to's, tips, etc). 

The whole point of this thread was a pair of skis I bought today. They were too cheap for me to say no and I really don't know much about skis or how the shape, camber, parabolic shape, and stiffness affect performance in different conditions. So I have read that these skis aren't worth anything but are they un-skiable? 

Whether or not they are skiable, I'd like to get to some info on the shape and construction of skis. These skis look almost identical to a guy I talked to that was skiing moguls all day. Thin, less parabolic, and short. These are actually 185's so they are definitely on the long side. What are these types of skis built for? How does the parabolic shape affect how you can edge on groomed trails? And how does the camber affect performance in powder vs groomed vs bumps?  

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Edited by twobadfish - 3/2/10 at 10:35pm
post #2 of 7
 unskiable no but not better than your S3 in ANY way even In bumps.
post #3 of 7
 Welcome back to the late 1980s of ski technology.  Don't know about that particular model, but a few of my friends had Pres back in college and they were nice skis at the time.  By today's standards, they would not be very good, and the bindings are probably not safe to use at this point.  Hope you didn't pay more than $5-10 for those.  
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 PS, I have three pairs of old skinny skis in my garage, if you want to buy them ;-)
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Thread Starter 
 Haha no I think I will pass on more sets of skis :D I paid $10 for them, and I put newer bindings on them as I was concerned about the condition of the old ones. 

I'm really satisfied with my S3s. The performance is really great. But I thought that I would enjoy skiing on these old skis at least once. If nothing more to give me perspective and help me identify how the anatomy of the ski affects performance and technique. And I may just end up using them a little more regularly. The S3's don't perform as well on really groomed/slick conditions. And I feel I will really be able to FLY in the 185cm rockets. 

I have found the answers to a lot of my questions in the OP. http://www.spadout.com/wiki/index.php/Straight_Skis has most of the answers to my questions. 

A remaining question though: I talked to a skiier that had the same shape skis as these straight skis and he said he really liked them for moguls. Considering the width of my skis, would these straight skis offer any benefits in moguls and/or skiing at very high speeds?
post #6 of 7
I'm pretty sure that those bindings are not compatible with today's boots and as such would be dangerous to ski on. No reputable ski shop will even look at those bindings so you would be on your own as far as adjustments.

As far as the skis go, there are no slopes or conditions in which those skis would be superior to a modern shape ski.

The truth is that $10 is ten times what those skis and bindings are worth.
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The post directly above yours mentions that I have replaced the bindings.

I took them out tonight and my curiosity has been satiated. I had a lot less control for sure. I'm sure years of practice might make me proficient, but my S3's can turn on a dime compared to those things.
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