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Help with rails and 360s?

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So I've decided to get into the terrain parks with my skis!  I can go over the 10-25' jumps no problem, doing a few tricks.  But I'd like to get a 360 down, I'm just not sure what the best way to about practicing one would be.  I can do 180's just going down, and going off a small (3') jump just fine, but when I try a 360 I just lose balance.  Once I get to 180 I lean way forward and crash.  So what would be a recommended strategy for practicing a 360?

And I've just started trying rails...and all I can say is it's painful!  I've only tried a PVC pipe on the ground, and a rail 3' off the ground, and I've only had one successful run on them.  I feel like I should be leaning a little forward down the rail, or at least angled so my feet would be flat on the ground.  Unfortunately whenever I go on the rail, I lean uphill, as if I'm skiing down a steep slope, and you can imagine what happens from there...  So my question; is there a way to practice this?  I've seen those fun boxes, or w/e you call them, but haven't tried any.  Or are both my problems (rail and 360) completely mental, and I need to force myself to do the right thing.

Side note... I see all skier's riding the terrain park with twin tips.  Are these recommended, especially if I do spend a decent amount of time going over the big jumps.
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 Id recommend twin tips if you can get them for several reasons.

the wider base makes it easier to slide rails and box on, the construction it made durable but poppy which comes into play in park skiing. It will also keep the edges of your other skis nice. Sliding rails does screw up the edges and bases of your skis. 

On the rails go practice on those fun boxes. Practice on those untill you can comfortable slide them. While you are practicing keep you skis edge flat and weight the front foot as hard you can. You shouldnt never learn uphill whether on rail or a steep slope.

http://www.thesnowpros.org/index.php/PSIA-AASI/video-gallery/one-move


The principles outlined in that video are absolute you always want you body perpendicular to what ever your riding on. Whether its a slope, Jump, rail, box, steep slope, half pipe. Its all the same you want your body to be perpendicular to whatever your riding. The easist way to accomplish this on easy rails is to commit to that downhill foot and keep moving your hips down the rail to stay with that downhill foot.


360s I dont know how your losing balance, but most people who fall during a 360s just arent commited to the spin....or dont know how to spin. I would first learn how to spins on your feet and with your ski boot on from a flat ground.. You should spin by winding your body the oppositte way of the way your going to spin. For instance my natural spin is clockwise so I twist my entire body counterclockwise and let that stored up energy go as I actively twist my body back clockwise. I also leave the lip either in slight wedge or carving the direction that I am spinning.
post #3 of 5
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Thanks for the help man, unfortunately I won't be able to get back out for a while :(
So it looks like in my head, I've got the logic down... I just need to get out there and commit it to it.
And when I said lean uphill, I didn't mean my whole body, I just meant I've got my ski's at an angle, and thats quite literally killing me!  But thanks for the video, and hopefully I have some better results next time!
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Check out this video.
post #5 of 5
A good exercise or stepping stone to 3s is to do ally oops on banks or in the half pipe. Ski up the wall, as you slow down, pop and spin round to forwards, spinning up the hill, it's basically a 270. They are really helpful with getting over the blind part of a 360 as you hav e to bring round you head and upper body, think about looking for the landing as soon as you can. Once you can do these try them off little hip jumps, as again you don't have to do a full 360, then take it back into the park, unless the park is tiny, the smallest jump should be big enought. I wouldn't wedge or carve off the lip as wedging tends to leave you popping off one foot more than the other, and carving will send you off axis, just pop off both feet as you leave the jump.

For rails, first get comfy on boxes, then attempt rails. For boxes make sure you are popping and spinning 90 before you land on the box, one of the most common things I see is people trying to turn onto the box, that puts you on your edges (BAD) straight away. Wide stance and flat skis are key. I find it easier to come off switch, as it is just continuing the rotation I made to get me to 90 in the first place.

For that PSIA video, they should probably choose a rail they can all slide to the end next time!!
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