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Consumer Race GS Skis - - What brand is the most powerful?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
 I'm thinking about switching to a consumer GS ski next season for my league racing. The course set is consistently tight and turny (the race director told me this is set on purpose now to keep the speeds down for liability reasons ). It is virtually impossible to use a mens length race stock GS with a 27M+ radius in this type of course effectively. Going down to a 23M women's length doesn't work for me either because the construction is too soft for my body mass (I've tried it). Race stock slaloms are all wrong for this type of set, and while easy to turn, won't be fast (I've tried that too).

On paper, the longest length consumer GS skis (184-185 cm with a 18M to 19M radius) look perfect for this type of course set. However, I have found it impossible to demo this type of ski in my area. Either shops no longer demo "race" skis, or they only demo the shorter lengths. So my question for you guys is what brand of consumer GS skis has the "beef" for a strong, heavy guy to use in this type of racing?
post #2 of 21
Of the ones I've tried... Atomic. Although if you're killing a women's FIS GS ski you will crush these, too. I ski the women's FIS (180 CM 23 M radius) Volkl Racetigers a lot and can get them through Nastar-style courses OK by compressing the radius but you might be bigger than me (6'1" 175lbs.)

I know what kind of course you're talking about- it's very frustrating on real GS skis.
post #3 of 21
You might want to look at the previous generation, 23-m radius FIS skis, maybe something from Atomic or Nordica.
post #4 of 21
I agree with Philcski. If women race stock skis are too soft for you, then forget about consumer skis. Every single one of them I had chance to see, feels like chewing gum compared to race stock skis... even if we are talking about women race stock skis.
post #5 of 21
A few years ago, the Fischer WC RC was stiffer than most of the race stock Fischer GSs, just with more sidecut.
 
The Nordica GS Pro is pretty nice as well, for a consumer race ski.
 
I would certainly look at the old >21M race skis in shorter lengths. You can still find NOS versions here and there.
post #6 of 21
The Stockli Laser GS will do it. If you haven't heard of them, they had two  Silvers in Vancouver, a few more top tens and two golds in the cross.  They also had several podiums on the WC this season.  Not bad for a little company that cannot pay a lot of racers to ski their product.

The Laser FIS is what is raced on the WC--same ski--and the 180cm has a 23m radius.  The regular Laser has less titinal and a wider tail making it more versital with the exact shorter radii you mentioned above.  The regular is probably stiff enough for your purpose and is on the the stiffer end of "consumer" race skis.  The FIS is obviously stiff enough regardless of your weight, but not very versitile skiing under GS speeds. I have found Stocklis to be VERY well made, for what that is worth. 

BTW, I have some Atomic Race 10:18 (used) bindings for sale.  The steel ones.  Make an offer.  They are the bindings used quite a bit on the Stockis used in the Europa and World Cup (see: www.tinamaze.com).
Edited by quant2325 - 3/3/10 at 9:52am
post #7 of 21
What they said...additionally, I strongly advise you to keep your current skis and switch to Masters racing.  We had a GS at Vail 2 weekends ago that was as quick and open as anything I've skied, and a real GS ski was definitely in order...

post #8 of 21

I like the stockli GS. They are stiff enough for me and I'm 6'2" 265.

I also have a pair of fischers that I bought from DSW skis in denver. I bought them new but they were a 2003 ski >21m radius. Paid $149.
They rock. Plenty stiff and fast. I think he sold out of them but I always see deals of older skis. Not usually as old as 2003 though.

Check out edgewiseskitunes.com

He has a consignment list of skis he is selling most used but there are some new one sometimes.


Check it out and good luck.

Johnny

post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by Alaska Mike View Post
 
I would certainly look at the old >21M race skis in shorter lengths. You can still find NOS versions here and there.

Here' s a possibility
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the comments. Our race league is pretty much done for the season, so I guess I have all off-season to think about what I want to try next year. This can be so frustrating equipment wise. Clearly race equipment is diverging for what works in "real" courses (USSA, Masters) and "recreational" courses (NASTAR, beer leagues). I was training some real GS today, and my 27+M 188cm race stock GS were perfect in the course. These skis seem so ponderous in the beer league course, yet were so light and lively today.  I just need to figure out the right "horse" for the beer league course.
post #11 of 21
you should come visit us in Oregon , all the manufacturers are here in the summer and are more than happy to let you demo. Come early though its been a bad snow year here too.
post #12 of 21
Any brand previous-to-current-rules race stock skis should do.  I am partial to Head, and even use a pair of >21M RD GS skis for NASTAR.   You can also look at a ski like the Wordcup iSpeed, that sits in between a true SL and GS....basically a GS race ski that is not FIS.  http://www.realskiers.com/ski_reviews_head.htm
post #13 of 21
Hey Richie!

You qualified for the Nationals at Winter Park.  Are you coming out? 

I'll be on 170 cm Progressor 9+ this year.

Pat
NASTAR# MOO95
post #14 of 21
Hey Pat.....I was hoping to, but once again I dont think I will make it.
post #15 of 21
I recently demeod the Head WC i.speed in a 180 (18M radius)  that Richie mentioned above This ski is extremely beefy and has a 19.2 M radius in a 185. You can't go wrong with this ski at your size. it is a beast! All the beef you would need with a cheater Gs radius and Intelligence and Liquidmetal technology!
post #16 of 21
I recently heard that Volkl has a new line of race skis for next year.
Pure unsubstantiated rumor probably but they haven't changed their race stuff for years.
post #17 of 21
 Have you tried a real deal womens WC ski yet? 

Compared to the consumer heads(which are sweet) a real deal womens skis is just stiffer and straighter and faster,  the heads makes awesome carved turns and are easy to ski on but just simply arent fast.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

I recently demeod the Head WC i.speed in a 180 (18M radius)  that Richie mentioned above This ski is extremely beefy and has a 19.2 M radius in a 185. You can't go wrong with this ski at your size. it is a beast! All the beef you would need with a cheater Gs radius and Intelligence and Liquidmetal technology!

I have a air of 180s for sale if you want them. Sweet ski in great shape, hot box cycles, etc.
post #19 of 21
HOW MUCH W/O BINDINGS???

When you say in great shape, can you describe? tune?  This year's or last?
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

 Have you tried a real deal womens WC ski yet? 

Compared to the consumer heads(which are sweet) a real deal womens skis is just stiffer and straighter and faster,  the heads makes awesome carved turns and are easy to ski on but just simply arent fast.

Yep, I have tried Fischer, Dynastar, Rossignol, Atomic (not D2) race stock in shorter (176 - 180) women's length, and I have crushed them even in our beer league course. In a real GS set on steeper terrain, they are just plain scary soft for me. I have to go up to the men's race stock in the 188 - 191 length for the ski to really hold up. The real issue with the women's race stock isn't so much the length, but the much softer construction. Women's race stock is designed for an 135 lbs - 150 lbs skier, and I'm going 250 lbs+.

The problem is our league course doesn't get fast enough until you are half way through for the men's length to become effective. You are basically fighting them in the slower, first half of the course which detracts from your time. However, back when the course set was more open, you could effectively use the men's race stock even in the slower sections. What stinks now is the combination of a flat start to the course and a tight set.
post #21 of 21
 It sounds like you are describing our course at Stowe. Flat then halfway down it drops off. You win this race on the flat and try no to lose it at the bottom. The fast guys are mostly on 190ish FIS skis. You just don't ski round on them. They are fast because they want to go down the hill. I tried 191 D2 last this week - no bueno for me, might try 186. In the meantime I am skiing 183 Rossis which are plenty stiff for me, but you have 50 extra pounds.
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