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post #151 of 169

I skied the S3's this weekend at Deer Valley, they had a free demo so why not?  I tried the 177 (or is that a 8?) on a mix of blue terrain, soft groomers, loose along the edges (that was for greg) and between runs and under lifts had very dense sun baked foot-deep cement. I gotta' say these things were a blast. Very user friendly, quick, made the cement feel more like light powder, felt much more solid underfoot than I expected. I couldn't really get them up to high speed but for 30mph or so they were stable. jibbing around on small features were a blast. You could really get them up on edge easily and short turns were stupid easy. I was so impressed I called Phil at Da' House and ordered a pair of The Ones!  rolleyes.gif  Why?  The Ones have a bit less rise, a touch more run so it will give the floaty feel but maintain more contact for groomed, its a bit stiffer and for me, I thought the S3 was a bit soft and stability was a bit of concern at speed.  PLus, I bought and extra plate to mount dukes. So I can travel with these for everyday and the Bent Chetlers and the extra plate with dukes. 

post #152 of 169

Very nice Finndog - congrats on the new acquisition.  They should serve you well.

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Edited by Negcx - 12/6/10 at 11:50pm
post #154 of 169

I'll pardon you for the major thread drift and answer your questions, but keep in mind that you should take more care in hijacking threads in the future smile.gif.  You're lucky this isn't TGR wink.gif.

 

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After doing some research here on EpicSki and via Google I've learned a bit more about mount position... It sounds like the extra smearing I was experiencing on the Prophets may have been amplified by the democenter's mounting the skis back of center.  Here is a summary of what I hope or think I understand from my research (appreciate those of you in the know commenting!):

 

- Mounting back of center encourages tail initiation of turns/smearing/sliding

I don't really like your "back of center" reference - not exactly sure what you mean.  If you truly mean the ski center then that really only pertains to park skis that are designed to also be ridden switch.  So lets just simplify this and say that in general more rearward mount positions can/do encourage/allow more of a skidded turn technique since there's less tail to deal with.

 

- Mounting back of center would create a more elliptical turn/carve shape, rather than more circular

I've never really considered this aspect and I'm not sure that this assumption is always correct.  I would think that the sidecut design would also have to play into this.  I believe that many good skiers can achieve a round turn shape with the proper technique through edge pressure no matter what the mount position.  The issue becomes whether you want to have to "adjust" to that mount position to achieve this or just put the bindings in a spot where it comes natural to you for your typical skiing technique.

 

- If I mount in the center position I should see tighter turns and probably less tendency to smear

Be careful because you can easily be too far forward in a mount position.  If you're too far forward you end up having difficulty getting the tails to engage and being able to get off the tips. 

- Mounting back of center is sometimes preferred for soft snow/powder to achieve more float

This is generally true, but ski technique is, IMO, the better way to compensate for deeper snow.

- Mounting center is better for hardpack (I don't get why this is necessarily)

Once again I dislike this "center" reference you're using.  Not quite sure which point you really mean.  Factory mount points are almost never on center and note that ski center and CRS (Center of Running Surface) typically do not coincide either.

 

Did I get these general concepts right...?

 

If you would like to continue this discussion please copy and paste your question and my answers into the start of a new thread.


 

post #155 of 169

This is and will be one of the most contested segments over the next couple of years. Quite frankly you could build a quiver from here.

 

Hard snow...

 

Enforcer

Mantra

Sentinal

 

Mixed conditions...

 

Sultan 94

Prophet 90

FX94

 

Powder....

 

S3

MX98

post #156 of 169

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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

I'll pardon you for the major thread drift and answer your questions, but keep in mind that you should take more care in hijacking threads in the future smile.gif.  You're lucky this isn't TGR wink.gif.

 

 

Sorry, wasn't intending to derail the thread, but rather clarify some of the comments I made in my reviews of one of these skis a few posts back.  I'll take more care in the future!  Thanks for your patience ;)

post #157 of 169


Thanks, Now I just gotta learn how to ski! biggrin.gif
 

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Very nice Finndog - congrats on the new acquisition.  They should serve you well.

post #158 of 169

Piece of cake. These rockered skis practically ski their self.

 

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Thanks, Now I just gotta learn how to ski! biggrin.gif
 

post #159 of 169

Ahh, gotta love my cheater skis with training wheels....biggrin.gificon14.gif

post #160 of 169

Will look forward to your feedback on the Ones. They seem to be the real deal.  But then a high percentage of our sum info on them comes from BushWPA, and he's actually a simulacrum run by a server in Estonia....

post #161 of 169

well, I can tell you he's really real!  Damn good guy to ski with tooicon14.gif  Don't let the Internet persona' fool you. 

 

I will be on them next Wednesday. It was really a combo of things for me, Bush, Dawg, SJ , noodler and Phil all were saying the same thing.Its kind of rare to get a consensus like that on a ski.

post #162 of 169

I skied with Bush when he first tried out the Ones last year, what he says the ski did for him is real. He GS/ railroad track turned it, tight turns in woods, quick zipperline firm snow bumps on steeps. He is as young gun who comes off on the forums sometimes harshly but he knows his stuff and he genuinely wants to help. I took his advice on some skis I was looking at this year, he was right on the money.

post #163 of 169
Hi SJ,

I ski at Mammoth 20 days a year. I'm 6'1" 183 lbs. My current powder ski is the pocket rocket in 174 length which I love for their easability in all conditions. I am looking for something with a bit more flotation but still nimbleness. I took 1 run on a pair of rossi S7s last year and hated them.
Way too much work on my bad knee. My non-powder skis are the Fischer water 78s which I also love. I am an athletic 60 year old advanced skier- started skiing at the age of 40.
Which of the skis would you recommend for me for powder days and at which length.

thanks,
Dave
post #164 of 169
Thread Starter 

Dave:

 

This thread was about daily drivers but not much about powder specific skis. A powder specific ski would usually have an entirely different set of characteristics from the models mentioned here. Since you like the PR but hate the S7, I'd suggest something in the 105-120 range with mostly conventional camber and possibly only a small dose of rocker/taper. Models that come immediately to mind are the Atomic Coax or Atlas, Dynastar Legend 105, Fischer Watea 120, Salomon Shogun, Nordica Enforcer. These are all skis in the 100+mm range that have mostly conventional characteristics.

 

SJ

post #165 of 169
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Dave: This thread was about daily drivers but not much about powder specific skis. A powder specific ski would usually have an entirely different set of characteristics from the models mentioned here. Since you like the PR but hate the S7, I'd suggest something in the 105-120 range with mostly conventional camber and possibly only a small dose of rocker/taper. Models that come immediately to mind are the Atomic Coax or Atlas, Dynastar Legend 105, Fischer Watea 120, Salomon Shogun, Nordica Enforcer. These are all skis in the 100+mm range that have mostly conventional characteristics. SJ


Dave- care to tell why you hated the S7? Legend 105 skis nothing like the pocket rocket and I think the Enforcer should fell different too. Also your PR sound awfully short.
post #166 of 169
Thanks SJ. The S7s were too heavy and too much work in the crud on my bad knee once the powder gets chopped up at Mammoth. Had my entire medial meniscus removed 39 years ago. I prefer a lighter ski where it doesn't bother me at all. My PRs are a little short for me, but I like the easability though I could use a little more flotation for the powder. That's why I'm looking for something a bit wider, but don't want to go too wide- difficulty of balancing flotation with ease of use once the powder gets beat up.

D
post #167 of 169

If that was your problem, I would avoid a lot of rocker and go for a heavier beefier ski (not lighter).  Lighter ski and ski with a lot of rocker (except DPS112) will get tossed around in chopped up snow, and it sounds like you need a ski that will stay the course and smooth the bumpy ride.  I would go for something like the 6th Sense Huge or Katana, maybe try them a bit short of you want a nimble ski, but a light ski will toss you around.  105, Atlas, and Shogun would fit the bill too with various tradeoffs.  105 will be great for your bad knee as long as you understand that it takes time to turn that ski (it is not sluggish, you just cannot flick and toss it around).   FWIIW, of all the powder skis I tried the ski that best managed the balance between quickness and nice ride in chopped up snow was the DPS 112.  I am curious also what the Blizzard Cochise would do in those conditions, but I have never been on it.  

post #168 of 169
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Originally Posted by Dsobel View Post

Hi SJ,
I ski at Mammoth 20 days a year. I'm 6'1" 183 lbs. My current powder ski is the pocket rocket in 174 length which I love for their easability in all conditions. I am looking for something with a bit more flotation but still nimbleness. I took 1 run on a pair of rossi S7s last year and hated them.
Way too much work on my bad knee. My non-powder skis are the Fischer water 78s which I also love. I am an athletic 60 year old advanced skier- started skiing at the age of 40.
Which of the skis would you recommend for me for powder days and at which length.
thanks,
Dave


Blizzard "the ones" ski like an updated pocket rocket basicly they are similar feel but better at everything. I would suggest you look at those if you want an something similar.

 

post #169 of 169
Will do.

thanks,
D
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