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Volkl Vertigo Motion v Atomic 9 22

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
 Looking to upgrade from my Volkl Vertigo G1's that i picked up a couple of years ago for real cheap. I hadn't skied since i was younger and hadn't had time throughout high school and college due to hockey, but picked it up again after graudation a couple of years ago and have improved greatly since then. I would consider myself intermediate/advanced - ski everything from blues to double blacks. Not much experience in the bumps or powder but would like a ski that I could learn/improve in those areas with. Most skiing done out east, with one trip per year out west (heading to Utah in 2 weeks). I'm looking at two different skis i have found on craigslist locally. Volkl Vertigo Motions for $140, and the Atomic 9 22's (2002) for $200. Does anyone have any recommendations on which of these is the better deal/ski. Both are in good used condition with no major repairs/issues.

Any help would be great, Thanks!

Evan
post #2 of 14
I've got a pair of 9.22s that I bought used in late '07 and that I have skied on at Mammoth on and off since then; I have enjoyed the 9.22s--they're very light, responsive, handle the steep quite well but also will go through bumps.  I bought a new pair of Fischer Cold Heats in early '08 and those are my primary skis now, and I do like them better than the 9.22s in most circumstances as they really will go through crud and loose snow a lot better.

Although the 9.22 is a pretty good ski, $200 is way too much for them--I paid $95 for my 9.22s in December 2007 (I also got them on Craigslist) and these were in perfect shape and at that time they were a 5 year old design (maybe 1 or 2 generations old); now they're about 4 generations old.  You can find new skis from the past 2 years for not much more than that.  For instance, check Evogear, which is now selling everything at its "outlet" for 35% off the stated price; it looks like you could get a brand new pair of '08-'09 Fischer Cool Heat with bindings for $449-35%=$291, and that sure would be better than paying $200 for 2002 vintage skis.  And Evogear isn't the only place that's selling recent skis for good prices--you can find them all over the internet.

Good luck, and make sure to post what you end up doing.
post #3 of 14
like he^^said, those skis are too old and virtually worthless. shop the net or ski shops used rentals.
post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks a lot for your input! I'll look into other options and let you know what i end up doing...
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by Espencer15 View Post
...I would consider myself intermediate/advanced - ski everything from blues to double blacks. Not much experience in the bumps or powder but would like a ski that I could learn/improve in those areas with. Most skiing done out east, with one trip per year out west (heading to Utah in 2 weeks). I'm looking at two different skis i have found on craigslist locally. Volkl Vertigo Motions for $140, and the Atomic 9 22's (2002) for $200. Does anyone have any recommendations on which of these is the better deal/ski. Both are in good used condition with no major repairs/issues.
Any help would be great, Thanks!

Evan
AS it happens, I have both.
Atomic Betas 9.22 in a 190cm (atomic - ESS bindings)
Volkl Vertigo Motion in 184 cm (marker motion bindings)
I luv both. (less crazy about the Atomic bindings... they've worked ok, but just not crazy about the whole setup)

The atomics have a very 'traditional' feel, solid tip contact, rail a turn on hard condition like a 205 race ski of old. But, very easy flex (for me) and not difficult to turn at slower speeds. Mine are older cut, 102 tip, 68 waist, metal. I paid $100 for these.
The local mtn is mostly groomed because 95% of those on the hill are boarders and so suitable for doing 'non-stops' all day long. The Atomics are my go-to ski for this. There are some mogul fields but still very doable and fun with the atomics. They ski like a really nice SL ski, very possitve tip and tail response to pressure, not overly hard on the rebound unless you really load the ski.
If you;re accustomed to a 'traditional' straight ski feel, these are' IT', but still way easier to turn.
I've not skied them at Mammoth mainly cause my trips up are group trips and I'm restricted to bringin only ONE pr of skis. Not crazy about the atomic bindings, but when I go local I always bring at least 4 prs of skis, so if something goes wrong I always have another pr ready to go.

On my 1st trip up to Mammoth, back just after New Year's, the ONE pr I brought were the Volkl Motion Vertigos. It was a gamble. Hadn't skied them before (bought local at Play It Again Sports for $110) but I was willing to give them a go based on prior experience with Volkls (and my dislike of the Atomic bindings...)
Not disappointed! The Volkls are 108-70-96 and about as good an allrounder as a 70mm waist ski can be. Great on Hard surface. They were excellent at Mammoth for those 3 days. We had variable conditions from some 2-3 inch soft pack, afew found section of untracked, to scrapped hard pack and a few sections of crud, pretty much everything one could expect at Mammoth. They went thru everything. At 70mm I wouldn;t expect them to be up to what a modern Mid-Fat or Fat could do in boot-top or deeper pow, but I'm certain I could ride them fine in moderate pow.
They do have a smaller sweet spot than the atomics and getting in the back seat too much assures a bit wilder ride. At 184 cm, they're easy enough to control on short turns, but have no real limits I've found at groomer cruisin speeds.
These 'load up' very quickly and are great fun when you use that for some fun air between bumps.
Being an 'eastern' bred skier, both skis get allround 9s from me. Are great for hard pack and do well in low to moderate depth soft (compared to my NEW '09, wider 82mm Fischer Cold Heats which are my new luv! they ROCK!)
The Atomics are softer in the mid-section, so smooth rail turns are wonderful. The Volkls are stiffer in the mid section and will launch a lightweight if not careful, but otherwise just a blast to blast on. Neither need 'race ski' precision to be fun on. Which is just fine for me.
I'm 5' 10 1/2", 165 lbs, 60 yrs, more finesse than pile driver, but when the goin gets tough I can mash with the best of em.
$200 is a little high for this age ski...
post #6 of 14
Interestingly, when I was doing my research at the time at which I bought my 9.22s (which was when I had decided to dive back into skiing after a several year hiatus), I found the 9.22s described as "midfats," which I guess they were in 2001-2002 (my model is 102-70-99, slightly fatter than moreoutdoor's which must be from the prior year) but the midfat category is now in the high 70s-high 80s-low 90s range and you'll be much happier getting a ski that falls within that range.  And as moreoutdoor says, the Cold Heat (with an 82mm waist; the Cool Heat mentioned in my earlier post are 76mm underfoot) is a pretty awesome ski in that category (he and I may be the only people in the world who own both the 9.22s and the Cold Heats) and it is available for pretty good prices on the internet if you hunt around (including at Evogear, which looks to have a few pairs left).
post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 
 Ok, i talked to the seller and am trying to get them to come down quite a bit on the prices to make it worthwhile, otherwise I'll just tell them I'm not interested. I looked on evogear and the only ones in my size (180-190cm) and price range i found were the 4FRNT MSP w Bindings @ 429.90 ($280 after 35% off). http://www.evogear.com/outlet/skis/4frnt-msp-bindings-used-2007.aspx. I know these are a lot different specs wise than the skis i mention above, but I'm just looking for an all-mountain ski that will be ok in the ice around here and can be useful in pow out west. I think i might even want to go a bit longer (I'm 6'0 220lbs., pretty agressive, 24 years old) Thoughts?
post #8 of 14

With respect to ski length, I think that with your specs 175cm might be the way to go on a modern "all-mountain"-type ski (note that the recommended ski lengths have come down over the years, so that the 190 that might have been recommended 5 years ago is now a 170 or 175).  I'm 6'0, 190lbs, pretty aggressive and my Cold Heats seem perfect at 176cm and I couldn't imagine going longer with them.  Several ski manufacturers have "ski selector" setups on their websites that you can play with to see what they would recommend in terms of a ski and ski length for different skier profiles and specifications, and although I wouldn't take these as scripture (these are sales tools, after all) they are sometimes helpful in providing ideas about what you might consider as you look at the numerous options that you have.  One ski that I haven't skied on before but that I've heard nothing but good things about for most conditions is the Dynastar Legend 8000 (see for instance this post: 

 
and they've got that at Evo (albeit used) for pretty good pricing assuming that the 35% discount is applicable, in lengths up to 178cm.

 

post #9 of 14
if you were thinkin the Cold Heats at 182 cm, at 220 lbs, an aggressive hockey player, they'd prolly work just fine.
Also a consideration...
the Cold Heat in a 176 is hardly a wimpy ski. It will take all the energy you can put in and give a hell of a ride. I consider it on par with the Atomic in 190 and the Volkl in 184 for allround performance - much better in pow, crud and tracked lumpy snow. At 176 it skis as well as the other 2, at 190cm and 184 cm.
In fact the 176 Cold Heats are a freight train in cruddy, lumpy snow, without being 'boardy' at slower speeds. And they do move thru shin to knee high pow incredibly well.
But since getting the longer cold heats seems difficult; maybe getting one of the older others at around a $100 would be a good deal. But don;t expect to float thru pow with the Utah boyz on pontoons. But back east, they'll be great fun on most days.
What can you buy these days for $100?
And at that price, when you get to Utah you can splurge and maybe Demo some new Mids or Fats and have some wide fun! maybe find one of the new designs which just fits you perfect.

I guess you're all set on boots?

EDIT - FYI, if you were thinking the Cold Heat 176's, here's a good ebay deal, $360ish, on the '08 with a really solid binding system '08 cosmetic, same performance for all model yrs of this ski.

and to echo Skibowski

"175cm might be the way to go on a modern "all-mountain"-type ski (note that the recommended ski lengths have come down over the years, so that the 190 that might have been recommended 5 years ago is now a 170 or 175).  I'm 6'0, 190lbs, pretty aggressive and my Cold Heats seem perfect at 176cm and I couldn't imagine going longer with them."

WORD!


Edited by moreoutdoor - 3/2/10 at 2:44pm
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 
 I think i might be picking up the Dynastar 8000's from evogear - they came to $277 and that's with the faster shipping.

Thanks for all your info, it's much appreciated!
post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 
 Scratch that just picked up the Cold Heats for $350 with 2 Day Shipping, i'll let you guys know how they are
post #12 of 14

Please give us a report about them once you've tried them out; notwithstanding that I've only read really good things about the Cold Heat and that I've loved my pair, there don't seem to be too many of them out there (I've yet to see a single other pair of them either at Mammoth or in Summit County),

post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
 Sorry for the delay..I love the new set up, got back from Utah on the 17th, they were great out there in everything I encountered, then they handled the really messy spring conditions we had in the Northeast yesterday. Loving them so far!
post #14 of 14
great...
since there's so little opinion documented on these skis, it would be great to again hear your opinion on these skis for eastern hard snow conditions, come next season... (or from anyone else using Cold Heats, back East...)
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