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Need some thoughts on ski choice among Blizzard Magnum 8.7 and Titan Cronus

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I just got back from a big demo day at Squaw this Saturday.  Tried eight skis over the course of the day.  Would love some advice as I sort through what I learned.  I'm 6'2", 170lbs (thin), advanced intermediate -> advanced. I like short turns and am not particularly aggressive.  I ski intermediate to advanced runs, though I tend to mainly stay on the tougher parts of the intermediates.


 

Here were my demos, in order.  I tried a wide range as I was trying to get a sense of differences:
 

  1. Volkl Manta: Lots of fun on Granite Chief at the beginning of the day, but in the end I'm just not that big a powder guy and these didn't really handle like I'm used to.
  2. Salomon Lord: Squirly.  Didn't like.
  3. Dynastar Mythic Rider (179): First ski of the day I really liked.  It felt a bit long but I loved that it was faster.  Only complaint was that it seemed to slip out from under me and at the tail a bit more than I liked.
  4. Head Peak 88 (169): Tried the shorter ski and really liked this.  Held the edge really well and turned nicely.
  5. Salomon Tornado TI (173):  Didn't really like this--didn't hold the edge well and was too thin for the crud and powder
  6. Blizzard Magnum 8.1 (172): Much better than the Tornado on the turns...still a bit thin for the crud.
  7. Blizzard Magnum 8.7 (174): Favorite ski of the day.  Like the 8.1 but better in crud.
  8. Blizzard Titan Atlas (173): Liked this ski at the top but had trouble controlling it when speeding down the bottom of the run.  At the end of the day my knees were weak, but this was too much ski for me compared to the 8.7.


So, my favorite width was the 87-88mm range.  The Blizzards all had the best overall feel.  So I'm looking at Blizzard skis in the 87-88mm range...that means The Magnum 8.7 and the Titan Cronus (based on a great review by SierraJim, and the IQ Max Slider bindings).

Any other recommendations? Based on my experience above, any others I should think about?

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Originally Posted by Matt Hempey View Post

Any other recommendations? Based on my experience above, any others I should think about?


Volkl AC50 ad Kastle MX88

or just buy the 8.7 if you don't feel like demoing anymore.
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The difference between the 8.7 and the Cronus is that the Cronus has no metal layers inside so it is softer and more biased toward softer snow while the Mag 8.7 is a bit more biased toward harder snow. When someone skis a herd and skis and finds one they like I generally suggest they buy it rather than risk confusing the issue.

SJ
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

The difference between the 8.7 and the Cronus is that the Cronus has no metal layers inside so it is softer and more biased toward softer snow while the Mag 8.7 is a bit more biased toward harder snow. When someone skis a herd and skis and finds one they like I generally suggest they buy it rather than risk confusing the issue.

SJ


I dont want to high-jack the post, but I am kind of in the similar boat with matt up here. I am 6 ft at 155 pounds. I ski more advanced expert and I want a ski that will help me push my limits and become a better skier.  I have been thinking of the watea 84 94, because of my stature, however I have been leaning towards blizzards because that is all i have ever skied.  I don't know if I want a softer ski like the wateas, or a stiffer flex ski like my blizzards now.  however, the more contemplation of the issue of mine; I have been more and more interested in the cronus or atlas for a good one quiver ski I can take up north and ski the adirondacks, and patrol at my local mountain.

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I own the Atlas in a 173, have skied the 8.7 in 174, used the own the Cronus in 173. Weigh 165, 6'. My take is mostly like SJ's (if you really like the 8.7, buy it), with this caveat: The Cronus IMO is a more versatile ski (meaning both soft and hard, groomers and trees) for a lighter skier than either the Atlas or the 8.7. What's soft to Jim is moderate flex to someone our size. It's better in bumps and soft snow and tight places. It's not as grippy as either, and not as planted at real speed. More forgiving than either by far. So some of this is about where you intend to ski and how fast.

 

That said, I personally found the 8.7 at 174 to be beefier than the Atlas at 174, since former is in the middle of its lengths, latter is shortest length available, so your comment about tired legs may be on target. But mainly these are aimed at different targets. The 8.7 IMO is a great 50/50 ride for stronger skiers, whether light or heavy. Meaning you have to be assertive on them, know what to do with your edges, and not be shy about speed. Then they sing. I consider them the ski the AC50 should have been, and if I could only own one ski, being based in the east, it would be the 8.7's. (Yep even over Kastle MX88's eek.gif )

 

The shorter Atlas, however, is a better ski in crud or chop or variable conditions (say crud over ice) at moderate speeds, where the width and stiff front end really crushes stuff, and it's weirdly grippy. It's not as stabile at mach speed as the 8.7 in 174, which may be what you felt at the bottom if you were flying. Have a feeling the 180 length would rule there, but would lose some of the nimbleness I like in the 173. Again, this in the context of narrower, weirder snow eastern slopes, where nimble and moderate speed are terms that count. 

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okay so you are similar stature to me. I agree with you about the 8.7's. I have a blizzard ski similar however its a front-side carver 68 underfoot in the middle.  I want an upgrade to really push myself as a skier.  I have noticed even with my blizzard ski now, you have to be assertive.  The the thing is, I am not a super fast skier, and I am very technical using my edges; that being said, I am not afraid to push the speed limit  a little bit.  I like blizzard, they are good skis but I dont know If I want the softer cronus or the atlas, because I eventually want to take some backcountry/side country tours up in New York.  I dont think I am going to buy the 8.7 cause I want a ski thats around 80-90 underfoot width. Overall, I want to have fun and ski a more varied terrain. I know my blizzard skis now, cannot handle pretty anything except groomers.

 

However, I have been looking at the wateas. so I dont know anymore! Titans and wateas are exceptional skis in their own respects.  I feel like the titans will be the work-horse of a ski that I will be able to push, and still be a little forgiving if I make technical mistakes, and give me confidence in the steeper and deeper terrain!

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IMO, assertive is not a synonym for fast. I'm very technical, don't mach unless the snow and the population density allow it. Or in gates. More about what you do with your edges, CM. But if you're planning to do some AT, then your only realistic choices are the Cronus or Atlas (both have the great sliders that you can swap AT with Alpine, Cronus is lighter). If you're gonna be hitting bad snow and moderately open terrain, mainly sidebounds, the Atlas IMO. If you're gonna be hitting, ah, skiing, trees and softer conditions, maybe full day tours, then the Cronus at our size. 

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I know assertive is not a synonym for fast, ha! I was trying to say that I am not technical with edging and I don't usually ski fast.  Wrong choice of words. But other then that, thanks for the advice. I ski a 175 now, so 173 seems reasonable!

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