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Looking for a supple Glove with a gor-tex shell (Yes I have searched the threads and read a lot of them).

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hey guys. 

I am a newbie assembling my ski gear. I am now looking for gloves.  I have read numerous threads on this site about the subject and have not really got the info I needed.  Here is what I am looking for (In order of importance). 

1.) Something that is close-fitting and dexterous (I have not being able to manipulate anything with bulky heavy weight gloves full of insulation.  I want to be able to take photos and grab my zippers without being clumsy.

2.) A water-proof shell.  I have looked into the black diamond gloves but most of their shells are not waterproof, which has caused problems when you just want to go with the shell. So I would prefer a Gor-tex shell.

3.) Something that provides good warm.  I don’t have much problem keeping warm but my fingers get cold sometimes.  This can be accomplished with different liners. The coldest I will probably go is 0 degrees and I doubt I will do that much.

4.) Removable insert liner: So I can use gorex liners also or perhaps someting else that provides good warms, wicking and dryness (gor-tex)?

5.) Durable: I am hoping the glove will last at least 60 days on the slopes (which will be 3-5 years for me).

5.) Leather? - I don't know if I really want to go with leather.  They seem to take a lot of maintenance and being from Florida, these things will probably be neglected for 8 months out of the year.  Besides, leather can get wet, and I have read many posts by Hestra devotees that comment that they don’t take their gloves in wet conditions specifically because they will soak through. This is my first glove and with the amount of money I have spent on gear for my wife and I, this glove must be of use for all conditions.
5.) Color: Black
6.) Other: A leash would be nice, as well as removable/interchangeable liners. Also a good warranty.

7.) Price: Hopeful under $85 but willing to go higher for an exceptional LONG LASTING glove.

I have looked into a lot of gloves but I don't think it is productinve to list them at this point.  I would rather see what suggestions I get. Any info, comments, suggestion, criticism are welcomed and GREATLY appreciated.  I need to learn so enlighten me if you believe I am missing something.  I am here to learn and value your opinions.

post #2 of 16
I have been wearing BD gloves in the PNWET. They are waterproof.
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
I am sorry, what is PNWET?  Which Black Diamond gloves.  The guide shell is not waterproof, to my knowledge.
post #4 of 16
PNWET=Pacific NW=wet snow, and sometimes rain.


I'm wearing these at the moment. I treated them with Nik-wax, and treated the leather parts with sno-seal. BD has gloves higher in their lineup but still within your budget that meet your needs
post #5 of 16
I am impressed with both OR and Mtn Hardwear gloves. Each have waterproof options. I prefer gloves that go under the cuff of my jacket and these usually do not have removable liners and are lightly insulated. These are supple and warm enough for most conditions. On days when these gloves are not warm enough I would want to be in mittens -- Not thicker gloves.

If its warm enough that my hands sweat then I don't need goretex usually and can get by with a soft shell / lighter glove like what I would use in mtn biking or shoveling snow. 
post #6 of 16
 I think you have some conflicting factors listed, so don't expect to find more than about 50% of your "wants" in any one glove.  For instance, #1 (close-fitting and good dexterity) likely rules out #3 and #4.  

Me, I give high marks to the Marmot Randonee gloves for an overall choice that has served me well.  They are fully seam-sealed and waterproof, but breath well enough that I can stretch usage into warmer weather with no sweating issues.
post #7 of 16
I have and highly recommend the Hestra Heli GTX glove.  Can be pricy if you buy at retail, but grabbed mine on Tramdock.com or Steepandcheap.com for under $70.  Also just picked up the Hestra softshell short glove from Tramdock, but haven't received it yet.

Heli is very warm and waterproof, but does give up a bit of dexterity for warmth.  Not much, but a little.

post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks Guys!
As I suspected, I see some of the gloves I am considering are already being mentioned. I looked into several Hestra (Army leather short gtx cxr and x-trafit, Gore-tex classic & the dexterity glove), black diamond (black prodigy and Guide), Outdoor Research (Alti), Swany X-change II, Serius x-treme all weather and the Marmot Randonee gloves.
The problem with all of these except the Serius is that the OUTER shell is not waterproof. I have read several posts where the authors owning Hestra and BD gloves complained of their shells getting soaked and heavy.  They reported experiencing cold hands in times where their hands were too warm with the liners on, and as a result,were forced to use the cold wet shells.  I was surprised that none of these gloves featured a fully waterproof shell. I figured even those that used leather could employ a gore-tex layer between the leather and inside lining.  I still wonder. 

Ideally I would like (and hopefully this exists) is a shell that has a removable insert liner that is waterproof (and possibly windproof?), with both (the shell and the insert) using gore-tex in their design. That way I can use the liner as a “spring” or warmer day (+25o) glove and put on the shell on a powder or colder day.
One thing I am considering is buying the Serius x-treme all weather (or another heavily insulated insert that uses Gore-tex and windproofing) and then buying a gore-tex hard shell glove one size larger to wear when things get more chilly. I am just having a hard time finding a gore-tex shell. 

I may just try to wing it with the serius gloves.  Ideally they would be my all around glove, but I have heard a wide variety of reports on their level of warmth and waterproofing.  I have read reviews saying that the kept hands warm while in the back country in sub zero temps, and others that said they were cold while skiing in barely freezing temperatures.  I have read reports of them keeping hands dry while making a snowman and others of people complaining of poor seals and stiching on seams, so I dont know.  If I do buy them I can give them a try solo in Utah come the end of Marich.
I don’t know if I am missing something. It occurred to me that possibly a gore-tex material could not be windproof, but that doesn’t make sense because many jackets use gore-tex in their shells.

Oh well, the search goes on. 
post #9 of 16
 Not sure where you got your info on waterproofing, but the Randonee is one of only two gloves that passed a waterproof test a few years back.  The test was dunking the glove in a bucket of water and waiting for leaks to come through to the inside.  Bottom line: not all gore-tex gloves are seam sealed, so be sure to check on that if it matters to you.  Frankly, I don't think absolute waterproofness is a must for most skiers unless you know you'll be skiing in the rain, so I'd relax that constraint.

Any cloth or leather glove, even those with an intermediate gore-tex membrane, have the potential to absorb moisture on the outer layer.  The trick is to maintain the DWR finish.  After washing my gloves annually, I renew the DWR finish with a treatment of Nikwax spray.  Same goes for ski coats and pants (though I use Nikwax wash for that).  Since doing that, I haven't had any problems with clothing or gloves soaking water in the outer layers.

I've had a few Seirus gloves, mostly for spring skiing, and they are OK, but not in the same league as some of the good skiing and mountaineering gloves you can buy from the reputable companies.  They fall apart rather easily.  Seirus seems to cater to the casual skier market with their products, or to folks who have paranoia about cold body parts (just look at all their face-mask styles -- you'd think their customers play hockey or perform chainsaw massacres in Antarctica).
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks Skier219.  Your comments about the serius stuff is informative and hilarious.

I was wondering if I was obsessing on the shell being waterproof a little too much. What is DWR?  Also, does the Nikwax wash clog the pores or gore tex on a jacket/pant?  I have read that gore tex pores will clog over time with sweat and dirt, would this finish do the same?

It is interesting what you said about the randonee.  I have heard good things about them, I just wonder if they are very supple.
post #11 of 16
DWR = durable water resistant.  More here:


Nikwax makes a couple products especially for washing and then DWR'ing gore-tex gear.  Works really well in my experience.  I was told years ago not to use regular detergents on gore-tex (clogs pores) but I have no idea if that's really true.

The Randonee is a very soft glove, even when brand new.  I think dexterity depends on finding the perfect size.  I first had a pair of size XL bought via mail order, which fit OK and were super warm.  Happened to try on a pair of L while browsing at Alf's ski shop at Alta during a lunchbreak, and they fit even better, so I picked them up.  They are slightly less warm than the XL (less airspace inside the L I suppose) but offer more dexterity and better grip on the poles, so I prefer the L overall.  Don't plan on dialing a phone with these gloves on, but for other stuff (pulling zippers, etc) they are fine.
post #12 of 16
I think most people have their own sort of unique take on gloves. Specialised ski gloves are a luxury, not a necessilty. You can get an insualted leather glove at the hardwear store, add snow seal and that will work just fine for most people most of the time. The most important thing about them is they fit and they give agood blend of dexterity and warmth. Until you figure out what you want, I wouldn't buy any glove except in person.

As far as water proofness, its great to have a water proof glove, but its really not necessary. Waterproofness is only really a benefit when it is actually precipitating a good amount (>.5" and hour for snow)  and the temperture is greater then ~28F. If its colder than that the snow doesn't melt realidy when it lands on a skier and it just sort of falls off. If its above 28ish the snow stick to my coat, helm, gloves, etc and melts soaking everything. Rain obviously is the same deal. Skiing under snow guns, same deal...

Another note on water proofness... its only going to be a benefit to you if you don't fall. A few falls in soft snow / powder and your gloves will fill up with snow and be soaked reguardless of goretex etc... the snow will get in. Thats why I use an under the cuff glove I think they tend to not let snow in as realiy as a guantlet style. And for me in UT I see alot of soft snow. The only way around the problem is to have a spare pair of gloves, hat,  and spare goggle in the car.
post #13 of 16
Personally, I have found that wearing liners with shells is either not a whole lot warmer than just the shells, or not particularly dexterous.  Maybe there are such gloves; if you find them, treat them with the respect and wonder they deserve.

Also, I have found that being comfortable when damp is vastly more important than being waterproof for ski gloves (and many things).  Odds are, the moisture would come from snow that fell in the glove rather than water that went through (assuming you have a DWR).  Maybe you could try washing your hands and not drying them right before checking out the gloves.  I'm sure the next person to try on those gloves would be thrilled about that .  But you can put them in the back, and if they aren't dry by the time the next person tries them, you can say you saved them from some bad gloves.

Last time out, I had soft shells, which I can wear while typing (plenty warm for me around freezing).  Unfortunately, my camera used a touch screen, which won't work with any gloves regardless of their dexterity.. but with the action shots saved in my memory alone, I'm free to embellish, so it's not so bad.
post #14 of 16
It kills your number one, but Cloudveil makes some mittens with a gore-tex/leather outer and a separate insulated liner. I've had them for going on three years now and couldn't be happier with the warmth or durability. I used to be all about mobility as well, but after skiing with these for the last three years, I wouldn't go back. In my experience, virtually anything I need to take my mittens off for would have me taking off my gloves as well.

Consider giving up #1 to get 2-7.

For the best in light gloves that actually let you use your hands, I also have a pair of Burton Superpipe gloves that I found to be perfect but only on warmer spring days. 
post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 
"Last time out, I had soft shells, which I can wear while typing (plenty warm for me around freezing). "

Which soft shells were you refering to?
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
To report back:

After trying the Grandoe crestone glove, which scuffed up a lot and was not very waterproof. I ended up going with Hestra Fall Line gloves.  They are very nice and somewhat supple and I had no problems being warm or dry in them.  In fact, at times I would take off my gloves to do some adjusting on some piece of kit or to use the iphone, and my hands would get super cold.  After reinserting my hands into the Fall Line glove, they would warm up in 5 - 10 minutes.  I do suggest applying a non sillicone based finish (like the hestra glove wax or nikwax)  on them before using them in order to accentuate the waterproof quality of the glove.

The Marmot Randonee gloves would have been my second choice.  My wife took a pair of these and she is very happy with them.

Hope this helps.
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