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More turn movements, part 2

post #1 of 5
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The thread about starting your movement from the hip got me thinking.

Often instructors and coaches will tell their students something like: "to get better edge and body angles, you need to get your feet out from under your body". OK, now the confusing part…How? I've found there are times while skiing, you move your feet under your body, such as fore and aft balance adjustments. Then there are times when you move your body over your feet, such as lateral hip movements.

When your skis are up on edge, even a little edge, they are not going to move sideways. The only way to get them out from under your body more, is to move your body in more. Are you with me? Telling people to move their feet is confusing. It is not the same in this instance.

Also, what feels like aggressive hip movements to the skier, actually looks like (to the observer), the feet moving back and forth under the body. Am I making any sense? Often, how to duplicate what you are seeing, may not take the movements you suspect.

post #2 of 5
As you roll onto new edges at the beginning of the turn, the skis are still pointing somewhat across and somewhat down the hill from completing the previous turn. They will continue in that direction somewhat while your body moves somewhat more to the inside. The edged skis then follow a path that's outside the line taken by the body and are in the "away from you" position during the portion of the turn when they are most pointed downhill. The skis start to come back to you as you ride into the turn completion stage again.

This will not occur as dramatically if your tendency is to slide the tails out at the change of edge point. The tail skid gets the skis pointed downhill quicker and doesn't give you time to let them run out away from the body as much.

If you are flattening both skis on the snow during the transition between turns with a slight flexing of the ankles, after you've rolled onto the new edges and the skis start moving away from the line your body will follow, you can extend to stand against the edged skis. This eliminates the "pop-up" turn initiation.

edited for spelling errors

[ December 21, 2002, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Kneale Brownson ]
post #3 of 5
Good explanation Kneale,
I refer to the body and feet being on diverging paths from transition to falline (legs extending), and converging paths from falline to transition (legs flexing). If you ski linked turns with an efficient release of CM toward insdie of next turn (i.e. without any traverse), the more you can "change edges without changing direction", and the body-line and skis-line become distinct.
post #4 of 5
I have vague recollections of being told that my body just wasn't up to taking the same route at same speed as my skis - so I should let body take the easy & fast route - while the skis took the longer route making the turn shape I wanted.
Being faster moving & more maneuverable they would 'catch me' before I went 'splat' on my face. This made a sort of sense because the skis tended to leave me behind a bit at the time.

Same thing?
post #5 of 5
Same thing, it is that simple.
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