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Re: The Great Quiz, what did we learn?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
A few 3-o'clockers tip the foot first (which tips the boot, then the leg).

The rest seem to tip the leg first (which tips the boot, with the foot just going along for the ride?).

So then, what did anyone learn?

Is there a better or more efficient order of movement (foot or leg first) to be used/taught?

What is anyone going to experiment with or maybe seek to change in the order of movement in their skiing?

Or the order of movement they teach?

Just Curious........
post #2 of 12
What a great Idea to follow up that quiz with this one.

What's interesting is I sat at my desk and thought about the quiz long and hard when it first came up. I tried things with my feet. played with movements. wrote a huge long answer and then erased it. The subsequent short answer was wrong and the long involved poorly written first answer was "more correct" not totally correct, but more correct. I think I tend to tip with the whole lower leg and then pressure and steer with the foot (probably part of my problem) so I feel the cuff hit at 10:00 and then pressure at 2-3:00 throught the steering/shaping of the turn. I suspect it's partly from old bad habits and not enough time to build muscle memory with new habits (yet).

Thanks for the exercise.
post #3 of 12
It even works with my cast I have on my left leg.
Seriously though it brings to mind the "ankles, knees and hips" approach that is the flow of power in all sports. Even my Nordica Dobermans with 150(soft)flex allow ankle articulation.(I couldn't convince the doc that they were as good as a cast)
post #4 of 12
Might be easier or more effective for beginners in ill fitting boots to move the knee rather than the foot.
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
It gets a mechanical result, but is less efficient than a biomechanical process (kinetic chain/recruitment) starting with the feet.

Also, does it teach an efficient order of movement that will support uninhibited continued learning, or one that will necessitate re-learning to progress?

Case in point, everyone who missed on the quiz question because someone taught them to move something other than their feet first.

Be aware what a short-cut, cuts out.
post #6 of 12
I thought about 3 o'clock today out on the slopes at Bretton Woods and decided to put it to the test. It turned out to provide excellent feedback to optimise edging of the outside edge. I've tried to enhance consistent and sustained edging and this was great. It would be interesting to see what other cues for success can be provided.
post #7 of 12
What I learned was question everything from the "olden days" as to its accuracy today. I don't get a lot from this cue myself, as my boots are like a second skin, but darn if it isn't so!

I did bring it up with my class this afternoon and had them confirm it for themselves. Maybe the cue will work for them.
post #8 of 12
I'll describe what it does for me. It really helps in releasing the skis from the previous turn to initiate a new turn. It helps me avoid simply throwing my body across my skis as opposed to tipping the skis to initiate.

I've been lucky to ski for three solid days alone with Bob B. I have skied right behind Bob in order to watch his lower legs and boot cuffs.Bob describes the importance of tipping being a progression. On Monday he said he feels at times as though his inside knee is being drawn towards the snow during the course of the turn. Don't confuse progressive with being slow. It may be that it happens quickly depending upon terrain and the desired turn shape.He simply does not tip and stop the process.

Feeling the boot cuff of the inside ski on the inside of my leg indicates to me that I am tipping my foot below the ankle as opposed to via "breaking at the knee.


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 06, 2002 08:04 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Rusty Guy ]</font>
post #9 of 12
Hey, Nord, it's not a matter of degrees of lateral flex, it's a nuance that makes a difference in where and when the pressure goes on the ski edge.
post #10 of 12
Isn't it impossible to feel the pressure at 3 o'clock if you move your leg, as opposed to your foot, first?? If my leg and shin move first it would seem that the pressure at initiation would have to be on the outside of the boot, in the direction of the turn, not the inside. I think that unless the foot or ankle is initially curled properly, the chain of motion will not have the desired 3 o'clock pressure or the 'drawing into the turn' that it is supposed to create. Am I right or am I missing something here?
post #11 of 12
You are correct Joel.
post #12 of 12
And I wonder where SCSA feels the pressure???????---------Wigs

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 09, 2002 07:22 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Wigs ]</font>
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