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Some info needed on '09-'10 Salomon Falcon CS ( CS Pro)

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I am currently in a Nordica Beast-based shell (Spark 26.0), but after 2 seasons of packing out, my left boot is clearly running too big; I've got the 2nd buckle maxed out and I'm still moving around inside.  I also find the boot, at 80 flex, too soft for early and late season (warmer temps). I was fitted by a certified fitter, and the right foot is just about right, but since my left foot is smaller, this pair is ready for retirement or for a liner upgrade (intuition possibly?).  Last time I was at the fitter, he mentioned that Salomon came out with a boot just this season, 09-10, with a new shell that he would have put me in if it was out at the beginning of the 07-08 season, instead of the Spark, and that I should keep it in mind for my next boot : the Falcon CS/CS Pro. When he put me in the Spark in 07-08, he said there was not anything that was similar to the Beast shell, but with a 100+ flex....However, after quick glance/research, I am not clear on a few things:

-how the Beast and 09/10 Falcon shells are even close to each other (one is 101 forefoot, other is 98)? Could he have meant the Impact series?

-Is a 26.0 Beast shell going to translate to a 26.0 Falcon shell?

-that the 09/10 Falcon is actually new this season as the fitter said (seems like Falcon was actually out in 07/08 when he put me in the Spark)?

-Does the "CS" technology make the 2mm. forefoot last difference less relevant?

-What is the foot "profile" that is best suited to the Salomon Falcon CS and CS Pro? My fitter claims I am the perfect candidate : low to flat arch (fallen arch), low volume, wide forefoot (some bunyon issues), "typical Asian" foot shape....


I feel kind of bad double-checking my fitters advice, but I somewhat justified because, while the footbed he made for me is money, he does appear to have originally put me in a boot (Spark 26.0) that ended up being too big and arguably too soft; so I am just a tad leary.

thanks in advance...
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Originally Posted by monologuist View Post

I am currently in a Nordica Beast-based shell (Spark 26.0), but after 2 seasons of packing out, my left boot is clearly running too big; I've got the 2nd buckle maxed out and I'm still moving around inside.  I also find the boot, at 80 flex, too soft for early and late season (warmer temps). I was fitted by a certified fitter, and the right foot is just about right, but since my left foot is smaller, this pair is ready for retirement or for a liner upgrade (intuition possibly?).  Last time I was at the fitter, he mentioned that Salomon came out with a boot just this season, 09-10, with a new shell that he would have put me in if it was out at the beginning of the 07-08 season, instead of the Spark, and that I should keep it in mind for my next boot : the Falcon CS/CS Pro. When he put me in the Spark in 07-08, he said there was not anything that was similar to the Beast shell, but with a 100+ flex....However, after quick glance/research, I am not clear on a few things:

-how the Beast and 09/10 Falcon shells are even close to each other (one is 101 forefoot, other is 98)? Could he have meant the Impact series?

Maybe,  impact is closer to the beast, but salomons tend to fit bigger then some others

-Is a 26.0 Beast shell going to translate to a 26.0 Falcon shell?

close anyways

-that the 09/10 Falcon is actually new this season as the fitter said (seems like Falcon was actually out in 07/08 when he put me in the Spark)?

The falcon CS is new,  same shape as the falcon, but with more workable plastic.  More changed, then new


-Does the "CS" technology make the 2mm. forefoot last difference less relevant?

any boot can be made wider,  CS just makes it a bit faster/easier for the boot fitter


-What is the foot "profile" that is best suited to the Salomon Falcon CS and CS Pro? My fitter claims I am the perfect candidate : low to flat arch (fallen arch), low volume, wide forefoot (some bunyon issues), "typical Asian" foot shape....

about that shape,  medium to narrow (but can be made wider)  narrow heel, lower instep


I feel kind of bad double-checking my fitters advice, but I somewhat justified because, while the footbed he made for me is money, he does appear to have originally put me in a boot (Spark 26.0) that ended up being too big and arguably too soft; so I am just a tad leary.

the spark might be too wide?  or too long?  hard to say,  did your ability change as well?   or your demands for what the boot can/should do?   

thanks in advance...


Go back and talk to him,  we are really just guessing what fits, flexes, etc, as we can't see your foot.  Ask him for help, and see what happens


post #3 of 7
     Just curious----have you shell checked your smaller/shorter foot,----- follow the directions in the "wiki" at the top of "Ask the boot guy's". 

     We always size to fit the smaller foot and stretch to fit the larger, very often we only have to stretch the liner and grind a little on the toe box of the shell to make the customer happy.
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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post

     Just curious----have you shell checked your smaller/shorter foot,----- follow the directions in the "wiki" at the top of "Ask the boot guy's". 

     We always size to fit the smaller foot and stretch to fit the larger, very often we only have to stretch the liner and grind a little on the toe box of the shell to make the customer happy.

My smaller foot is about 257mm in length. Larger foot is around 260m in length.  My current boot, Nordica Spark is around 308 BSL (although it is labeled 305).  Shell check on smaller foot shows roughly between 19-22 mm. space, depending on whether I do the check with/without my custom footbed.  Larger foot shows roughly 16-19 mm space.

If it is true a "performance" fit is going to be roughly 10-15 mm space, it seems that my smaller foot is a good 5-10mm. too small for the shell right?       

I am thinking I should either look into getting intuitions for my old boots to replace the packed out stock liners, or begin considering a move to the Falcon CS Pro, either 25 or 26, depending on which would give my 257mm. "short" foot a 10-15mm shell fit.  In fact, I'm thinking I could be alright in a 20 ish mm shell fit, so long as the shell has a less roomy region underneath the second buckle (from the top)?
post #5 of 7
     Do the shell check and don't worry about the difference in foot length (3mm) it's not enough to cause a problem.  Get a 25.0 shell (usually 295mm sole length) and get the liner heat molded and in 2 or 3 days of skiing it will break in and your toes will be fine. 

      It has been emphasized here that a small boot can be made larger but a large boot can never really be made smaller inside and will always pack out and get too loose. 
post #6 of 7
Thread Starter 
thanks for the reply.  Just to be clear...you're saying a size 25 or 295 BSL shell (rather than 26/305mm) is likely the appropriate size for feet that measure out to around 260mm in length to get a performance fit? 

Just so I know my options, would replacing my size 26 boot with an intuition liner be another worthwhile option, or is that 305mm (actually it measures more like 308mm) gonna be too long for the intuition to do its job?  I am curious about this only b/c my size 26 Sparks did fit fairly well for the first 10-15 days of use before packing out.



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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post



     Do the shell check and don't worry about the difference in foot length (3mm) it's not enough to cause a problem.  Get a 25.0 shell (usually 295mm sole length) and get the liner heat molded and in 2 or 3 days of skiing it will break in and your toes will be fine. 

      It has been emphasized here that a small boot can be made larger but a large boot can never really be made smaller inside and will always pack out and get too loose. 
post #7 of 7
     You seem to be stuck on a number (26.0) when all here are recommending shell fit.  IMO boots are marked with a little stick on label (they could have stuck it on any size they wanted to) so that any sales man can get your money and smile on the way to the bank.  You have already found that the magic 26.0 number doesn't work after 10--15 days, what is  the problem?  No, I don't think the Intuition will have any better success.
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