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Should the bootfitter have caught this?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
A couple years ago I took my first pair of boots (I started skiing 3 years ago) to whom I was told was the best around. My instructors raved about him. So I get fitted, get heel lifts, and right away I'm having issues. The biggest issue was the massive quad fatigue and pain I felt. I went back 2 more times to have him figure this out but he thinks I'm perfectly balanced in my boots. So I believe him, and I believe all the instructors that tell me that it's me, even as I improve and the instructors are increasingly stumped over how badly my quads burn after very little time on the hill. I'm starting to get tips like, do you drink enough water? So after 2 years of pain I finally (mostly due to threads here) start thinking it's maybe my boots, maybe they have too much forward lean, and in desperation I go buy a pair of Dalbello Krypton Storms that are stiffer. Problem solved. I feel very, very surly toward all the instructors who said it's me, not my equipment, and toward my bootfitter.

Is this fair? Should my bootfitter have known that too much forward lean was my problem? At one point he brought it up as a possibility, but said he'd have to see me ski to know. If a bootfitter has to see you ski to really know what's going on, how can a fitting be useful? I feel like with my new boots, I should have a fitting, but I don't know whether to see this guy again or avoid him.
post #2 of 10
hard to evaluate how someone skis, without seeing them.  Not many Dr's do phone interviews with injuries... ;)

Maybe he should have asked a few more questions?

so is the solution that the new boots are stiffer, or have less F lean?
post #3 of 10
I know, I'm stating the obvious here: " All retail ski boots are generic"  (they didn't come to your house and measure you, they couldn't be anything but generic)---designed around an average skier.  If you leg circumference is not average where it exits the cuff of the liner, your knee will be pushed forward a third of an inch for each increase of 1 inch in circumference (geometry).  You will sit back to try to accommodate this issue, -----result = burning quads .

     Many boot shells have about 14 degrees of forward lean which will allow a person with a calf muscle between 13 and 14 inches to stand with their COM over or just ahead of the boot sole center.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the math to adjust a shell to accommodate any skiers leg size, so that they stand in the correct place over their skis.
post #4 of 10
Probably your fitter should at least have asked or experimented with forward lean and ramp angle.  Both have an effect and often I feel ramp has more effect than lean.  There are fitters that know how to punch boots and fewer that understand balance.  Keep reading in here and you should be able to fairly well educate yourself if it is necessary.
post #5 of 10
pretty much as the guys have said, the other thing which could affect this is the delta angle of the bindings on your skis, some binding set ups will tip you too far forward and cause the problems you are having... you may look perfectly well balanced in your boots but chuck your skis on and be tipped way off balalnce

add to that the fact that skiing is a sport going down hill and all sorts of outcomes can occur
post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
He asked me to bring my skis in and he looked at me on those. Nearly all women's skis these days have a binding angle, according to the ski reps I've talked to.
post #7 of 10
Originally Posted by Christy319 View Post

He asked me to bring my skis in and he looked at me on those. Nearly all women's skis these days have a binding angle, according to the ski reps I've talked to.

many do, but it is possible to reduce this to a great extent by either lifting the toe binding or the toe of the boot

i wouldn't be trying to pin this on the boot fitter as you seem to be, it looks like you are trying to get us to built a case against him.....

there are several type of fitters out there

boot sellers
boot punchers
boot fitters
good boot fitters (sounds like this is what you saw, based on all the recomendatiosn you got to go there)
and good boot fitters who understand balance and alignment

i know some great boot fitters in terms of shell selection, footbed building and modifications, but they draw a blank when it comes to stance set up, it doesn't make them bad people

it is a bit like chefs, you get some great chefs who specialise in one area, cakes or fish or whatever and you get others who can do it all

in the ideal world boot fitters would all look at stance and be really good at it, but we do not live in the ideal world
post #8 of 10

with more information, we can give you a better analysis.

give us more of the story. you have been skiing for 3 years, and you arrived at the boot fitter with your own boots ( purchased where and how? ) and if i understood your original post , these were the first boots that you ever had?

what was the boot that you walked in with? model, size, flex, and fit?

tell us a little about your skiing level today, and over the last 3 years.? what are your goals for your skiing? where do you ski? what pitches, and terrain.?

how about some important details like how old are you? height, weight? build? are you active in other sports? are active in your daily life, or do you ride a desk? what is your level of fitness? any injuries? particulars about your feet, lower legs? ankle range of motion?

more information=better solutions

post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your willingness to help but the problem was solved with new boots. My quad issue instantly went away with the new boots.

What my question here is about going in for a fitting with the same guy--he's really the only one around that comes highly recommended. I've always been told you should see a bootfitter with new boots, and while my big issue was solved with the Dalbellos, there are a couple little things I'd like to ask a bootfitter about. But I'm leery to go back to him, and I wonder if that's fair. That's the question here--did this guy really screw up in his work with me, and should be avoided (remember, I went for 3 visits trying to get this issue solved and he didn't think it had anything to do with my boots, when it was 100% my boots). Or is there a limit to what a fitter can know, and it's not fair to say he should have known, and I should go back to him? I'm definitely a little gunshy about getting a fitting now, since my skiing became so much worse after my fitting and follow up visits!

Jim, I'm actually in Truckee next week and you came highly recommended--I am just not sure I want to take time away from skiing for a fitting. :)
Edited by Christy319 - 2/24/10 at 9:56am
post #10 of 10
First you absolutely should take time away from skiing to see Jim.  He can probably get everything resolved and the rest of your time in these boots and skis will be much better.

Other guys may have different opinions but I'll say that if I see quad issues in what seems to be a fit person then I'll always start with forward lean, boot ramp angle and binding ramp and probably in that order.

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