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Bode: Finally Gold

post #1 of 21
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 Now that Bode's won an Olympic gold medal, not to mention a bronze and silver this time around, Americans will finally realize what they have in Bode Miller: a truly great American skier.  This is something that any skier with a speck of sense would have known for some time.  No, Bode didn't live up to the hype that preceded his performance in Torino.  However, though he won no medals there, his performances recovering from what could have been fatal falls were nothing short of miraculous.  The casual observer would have probably missed this.  It was obvious to me, though, and it should have been obvious to any skier.  Bode clearly had the talent, though not the attitude to win.  HIs attitude in Torino was that the Olympics were just another set of races to be won or lost by the slimmest margins of time.  Winning was a matter of luck.  But this time his perspective changed: he realized that slim margin could be conquered by a strong enough desire to win, given the talent and training he already possessed.  And thank God he did it.  Now all Americans can see what skiers knew all along--the hype surrounding Bode four years ago was warranted.  He is--and will be remembered--as one of the greatest skiers of all time--right up there in the ranks of Jean Claude Killy.

























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post #2 of 21

I agree with all this, and no one was happier than me to see him win (I couldn't bear to watch him ski the slalom portion, covered my eyes til it was over). Now we can look at his record calmly and assess where he belongs in the sport's history. Perhaps now ahead of Lasse Kjus, for example.

 

But, supercombi is a sham.


Edited by prickly - 2/22/10 at 7:12am
post #3 of 21
Yep, now the ignorant who say Bode sux, will finally shut their yaps.
post #4 of 21
For those in this country who still think that ski racing only takes place once every four years, Bode should be viewed as a "success", despite a career full of it. I've become a huge fan of Greg Needell's blog. You can find it on skiracing.com, or on his website alpineraceconsulting.com   His most recent post is really insightful about Bode in 2010 vs 2006. Nothing earth shattering, but interesting. Greg was a USST WC coach until last season. Very knowledgeable, and very much providing an inside view.
post #5 of 21
 I would second Muleski's advice about Greg Needell's blog. Greg has all kinds of interesting insights into the races and the racers that simply do not appear in other articles describing the events. And you don't need to be a diehard racer or race fan. As a person who has never raced but enjoys watching the races, I think his blog is great.
Here is a link for the Bode article:
http://skiracing.com/?q=node/1004
post #6 of 21
I don't know about Bode. He's just.... well Bode. He's guy for who I still don't know if I like him or not... even after all these years I'm in WC (even if only as photographer in his time). On one side he's pain in the a**, on the other side he's really great guy... most of time he's actually both of this together... at same time! So to be honest I still don't know if I like him getting medals (sorry guys :) ). On one side it feels really great, that he got them, especially gold, on other side I'm not so sure. But that's because he is like he is. And in reality, he's much different person then he's presented in media... no matter if it's good or bad way.
But truth is, that he gave A LOT to skiing. I don't consider him as best skier ever, but if someone like it or not, he gave more to skiing then anyone else in last 20 years. Sure he might not be best skier ever, he might not have best technique ever, he might have too much fun sometimes (even if I don't consider this as bad thing), but he brought so much people to sides of race courses as noone else. So if we like him or not, we have to be greatfull for this, and we have to show him some respect... if nothing else, at least for this, even though I still think he deserves all respect he can get for his results too... even if someone doesn't like him.
post #7 of 21
 Bode is, as you all say, one of the great skiers of time.  He was great in Torino--and great now.  I never had any problem with his so-called attitude in Torino--he simply called out the Olympics and the hero-worship and the attitudes of this global corporation from his own viewpoint.  He's allowed, in my book--and I'm curious if he as "matured" (!) or if he has just learned to play the game "their" way.  

Regardless of all that hooplah, he is a great skier who has moved the sport further, just as Lindsey Vonn has.  Now, my guess is the Austrians (currently flummoxed) and all the other great ski countries will figure out what in h*** they are doing, set their legendary determination to it, and be big competitors next go-around.

In the meantime, the Bodes and LIndseys will become more creative and come up with something good and set a new bar.
post #8 of 21
Anyone can get hot during one ski race, or just not "have it" the day of a particular event.  True champions show a consistency of performance over time.  Bode has done that.  What the press doesn't get is that winning isn't everything for him.  Bode just wants to perform well and then let the chips fall wherever they happen to fall.  If he gets beat, that is OK because he performed well.  If he wins and didn't perform well, then he considers it luck.  Tiger "I slept with more skanks than you" Woods was always like this.  In the early days of his professional career he would talk to the press about not being on his "A" game, even when leading a tournament.  His "aloofness" pissed off many of the touring pros, until they realized he was in another league and the purses were getting larger as a result.  Tiger was welcomed by most once he was understood.  Now maybe Bode becomes understood by the public.

With age comes some wisdom, and two years ago Bode figured out he didn't have to take undue risks on every run.  The way he used to ski that made him famous didn't have to be skied any longer to win.  Like a great poker player who gained valuable experience by playing too many hands early in his career, he could now ski a percentage type strategy and win.  Maybe this was due to his being uncomfortable with his SL skis a few years ago, when just finishing a SC made sense.  Maybe it was experience and the desire for another Globe.

Bode is trying hard, it seems, to do everything right and act as a "good role model" for his team and his child.  He doesn't even complain publicly about his knees or his ankle.  No excuses, just good work ethic.   Good for him.
Edited by quant2325 - 2/22/10 at 11:21am
post #9 of 21
On the Today show, Matt asked if those days are past (partying), he said "we're going out tonight."

I was impressed by Bode both on and off the course.  He's all American and I am happy for him.  He deserves it.

I like the combined.
post #10 of 21
 From Needell's article:

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Well, what do you think the major shift in Bode is about? His baby? His personal peace, his ability to enjoy the moment, his performance and lack of panic in his racing and off-hill life come from being a Dad. When I was working with him his pace was frenetic, every day in all areas. Now I sense calm. I see a smile I have not seen in years. He is a man, finally, and it shows on the hill too.

 Thumbs up Bode Miller.  
post #11 of 21
There are some great interviews on the nbc web site (at least they are good for something). There are three of them all of which are amazing but I believe it is in the second one where Bode is very specific about the realization that he did not have to ski as hard and fast and perhaps on "edge" in order to win.  It was in fact this realization that led him to recently take some time off because it was quite disillusioning for him to confront that he could be "successful" in his sport without the heart, emotion, and passion.  These are some powerful interviews, not so much Brokaw, it's all Bode being Bode.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/assetid=ed1a28bf-22e0-4d79-8624-f96e3c8c0255.html#brokaw+interviews+bode+miller


This also provides some incredible insight into what many other skiers have observed about their own approach.  Vonn was recently quoted as saying that she was only skiing about 90% and holding back.  Maybe that holding back is not really holding back but rather understanding the balance. 
post #12 of 21
This is the second interview where he talks about the mental challenge and the difference between what his heart and emotion is telling him vs. experience and tactic:

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/assetid=cd68fc6a-5bff-4c7e-ad8e-93c3a29c928e.html#interview+part
post #13 of 21
Viewing restricted to viewers in the USA.

From what I've seen, Bode is and was Bode.  I recall seeing him on the tonight show long ago talking about how the airline smashed his globe.  The change is in how the press is perceiving and painting him, now that he is a "winner" again. I'm glad he won, just because I like the irony of the press writing him off and him not taking any of it.  He was and is the best US skier ever, and they were treating him as a failure.

Way to Go Bode; If we (the Canadians) can't get those medals, I'm glad you got them!
post #14 of 21
He had a comment in the finish area yesterday where he said something to the effect of, "it's been hard with the ankle injury, I've got one bad leg and mentally my other foot is already on my boat..."

4 years ago that would have been a headline about how little he cares.

This time around he is the 'Reformed Prodigal Son'...

I hate the media.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

He had a comment in the finish area yesterday where he said something to the effect of, "it's been hard with the ankle injury, I've got one bad leg and mentally my other foot is already on my boat..."

4 years ago that would have been a headline about how little he cares.

This time around he is the 'Reformed Prodigal Son'...

I hate the media.
 

Ditto on the media.

The guy is the same guy. You hear sound bites and quotes. Always taken out of context. I owned a business that had a lot of press coverage in NYC because of a new venture and the media was so wrong on everything it wasn't even close to truth.

The 60 minutes interview was the only time I ever heard a full conversation with the guy. And it was great listening to Bode talk about how winning a WC title is way harded than an olympic gold. It equally sucked watching the reporter not even want to hear it. He just kept breaking Bodes balls about olympic gold.

All these ramblings on NBC and in this forum and others about the "changed" Bode miller are BS. Not that has or hasn't changed - Of course people mature. But, how the F__K does anybody know? Its just a media angle. In Torino they had the lazy partying Bode angle and every reporter had that angle before they ever spoke to him. He could have stood there with a suitcase with $50 million and said he is giving all this money to poor orphans with a golden halo beaming down from heaven on him and they media would still have gone with the bad boy story. He knew that. That is why he went through the woods to get away.

Now the new angle is the changed bode, the family bode, get bent!

He is just Bode Miller, a great skier and an honest guy who speaks his mind. His personal life is his own business.

If he didn't get any medals he would have been back to being labeled a screw up in the media. Bunch of hypocrits!
post #16 of 21
Congratulations to Bode!! It's great to see him enjoying ski racing. That slalom run in the combined was inspired. The ending of it was designed to weed out anyone tired yet he managed to hang in. He mentioned skiing it with his eyes closed at the end. Literally? Who knows. The interviewer didn't clarify.

Certainly the press usually writes about what they want to write about. They love to goad people into saying things they want. Witness Bob Costas with the American skater Evan Lysicek (sp?). He tried three times to get him to trash talk the Russian skater after he already won the gold. When he refused each time it was impressive and annoying that Costas kept trying.
Bode got screwed by the 60 minutes piece. However, it's fairly obvious that he has a different attitude about these Olympic games versus the last ones. He says so himself. It's not just that he's winning.
He's also a publicist's nightmare.
post #17 of 21
When he skied out of the GS yesterday the camera showed him holding his legs and knees.  I'll bet he is really hurting, and it is not just conditioning. 

His art is ski racing.  It is not as much a profession for him as it is an art.  We have seen the guy ski off a retaining wall, try to finish long races on one ski, make unheard of recoveries (sometimes several in one race), etc.    He comes prepared, constantly thinking about his conditioning and how he can tinker with his equipment to make it better.  On the snow he gives it his all, but at some point his body won't.  I am selfish and hope he sticks around for a couple more years racing just the speed events. But if his body is failing this upcoming SL could be the end.  At least he can now leave skiing on his own terms.  He owes no one, and now has the public on his side to help with future endorsements.  I wonder if the Olympic SL is his last?
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by quant2325 View Post

His art is ski racing.  It is not as much a profession for him as it is an art.

Bingo!  That's exactly it!
post #19 of 21
Portrait of Bode after a race?

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Jackson Pollock 1950
Photo by Hans Namuth

Center for Creative Photography, University of Arizona

http://artists.parrishart.org/artist/507/
post #20 of 21
Well-Said!  He just didn't fit the all-American wheaties box, talking bobble-head jock image.  Bodie drinks a beer, OMG, he's un-American, he's not serious and a drunk.  Bodie goes to the Olympics (Torino) and enjoys the spirit of the games, he doesn't win Gold.. - he's not worthy of us.  Bodie doesn't win medals when the press needs him to so they can sell ad-space and ratings.  95% of America doesn't even know he accomplished on the WC....  I'm a huge Bodie fan, he gets 100% suport from me.
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Originally Posted by quant2325 View Post

Anyone can get hot during one ski race, or just not "have it" the day of a particular event.  True champions show a consistency of performance over time.  Bode has done that.  What the press doesn't get is that winning isn't everything for him.  Bode just wants to perform well and then let the chips fall wherever they happen to fall.  If he gets beat, that is OK because he performed well.  If he wins and didn't perform well, then he considers it luck.  Tiger "I slept with more skanks than you" Woods was always like this.  In the early days of his professional career he would talk to the press about not being on his "A" game, even when leading a tournament.  His "aloofness" pissed off many of the touring pros, until they realized he was in another league and the purses were getting larger as a result.  Tiger was welcomed by most once he was understood.  Now maybe Bode becomes understood by the public.

With age comes some wisdom, and two years ago Bode figured out he didn't have to take undue risks on every run.  The way he used to ski that made him famous didn't have to be skied any longer to win.  Like a great poker player who gained valuable experience by playing too many hands early in his career, he could now ski a percentage type strategy and win.  Maybe this was due to his being uncomfortable with his SL skis a few years ago, when just finishing a SC made sense.  Maybe it was experience and the desire for another Globe.

Bode is trying hard, it seems, to do everything right and act as a "good role model" for his team and his child.  He doesn't even complain publicly about his knees or his ankle.  No excuses, just good work ethic.   Good for him.
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post


Well-Said!  He just didn't fit the all-American wheaties box, talking bobble-head jock image.  Bodie drinks a beer, OMG, he's un-American, he's not serious and a drunk.  Bodie goes to the Olympics (Torino) and enjoys the spirit of the games, he doesn't win Gold.. - he's not worthy of us.  Bodie doesn't win medals when the press needs him to so they can sell ad-space and ratings.  95% of America doesn't even know he accomplished on the WC....  I'm a huge Bodie fan, he gets 100% suport from me.

Finndog, one word.........Perfect!

You said everything that could and should be said in one paragraph.

BRAVO!
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