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post #61 of 85
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post




You run up to someone yelling and acting aggresive. And you're surprised that you got hit?

Let's put this in a different context.  You're sitting in your parked car in a parking lot.  I come flying into the parking lot pull into the spot to the right of you so close that I scratch your car.  Don't you think that you would come flying out of your car yelling at me?  And apparently, since you're yelling at me, according to your logic, this gives me a perfect right to smack you in the face. 

I did not run up to him and act aggressively.  I approached him and was yelling at him.  This gives him the right to punch me in the head?  To restate, he's 30+ years younger and taller than me and I pose no physical threat to him.  Yet his immediate response is to sucker punch me.  I'd be surprised if he actually apologized, I'd expect him to tell me to f*ck off, but punch me?  If this was his gut response he's going to get in a lot worse situations than this.  Sounds fuddy duddy, but obviously no respect for adults.
post #62 of 85
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Originally Posted by JoeUT View Post

You realize you're complaining about snowboarders in the only place in America where you had a non-snowboarding resort right next to you (and another over the mountain). Don't get me wrong, dude sounds like a douche, but by your own admission you pulled your skis off and were approaching him in an angry, hostile manner. Doesn't sound like anyone is free of blame there. And it's no reason to dislike an entire sport.
 
I own a timeshare at Marriott's Mountainside at PCMR and I have season tickets at PCMR.  I'm not going to let snowboarders dictate where I ski.  But I do prefer Deer Valley and Alta on the weekends just to avoid this kind of obnoxious and rude behavior. 

And of course I was angry, wouldn't you be?  This doesn't give him the right to sucker punch me.  Like I said, if this happened on the street, it would be assault.
post #63 of 85
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Originally Posted by TomF View Post



I own a timeshare at Marriott's Mountainside at PCMR and I have season tickets at PCMR.  I'm not going to let snowboarders dictate where I ski.  But I do prefer Deer Valley and Alta on the weekends just to avoid this kind of obnoxious and rude behavior. 

And of course I was angry, wouldn't you be?  This doesn't give him the right to sucker punch me.  Like I said, if this happened on the street, it would be assault.


 

I don't think it matters much if at all where it occurred . I'm not a lawyer but I would guess it was assault.
post #64 of 85
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Originally Posted by TomF View Post




Let's put this in a different context.  You're sitting in your parked car in a parking lot.  I come flying into the parking lot pull into the spot to the right of you so close that I scratch your car.  Don't you think that you would come flying out of your car yelling at me?  And apparently, since you're yelling at me, according to your logic, this gives me a perfect right to smack you in the face. 

I did not run up to him and act aggressively.  I approached him and was yelling at him.  This gives him the right to punch me in the head?  To restate, he's 30+ years younger and taller than me and I pose no physical threat to him.  Yet his immediate response is to sucker punch me.  I'd be surprised if he actually apologized, I'd expect him to tell me to f*ck off, but punch me?  If this was his gut response he's going to get in a lot worse situations than this.  Sounds fuddy duddy, but obviously no respect for adults.

 

Me personally I don't repond in an aggresive/loud manner to accidents caused by other peoples idiocy. But you approached someone that way. Clearly within arms reach. If someone is that close to me yelling, It's hard to tell what else they are going to do. I might react in the same way.
BTW you don't look very old. And i'm inclined to be even more on the defensive when people have such a gnarly beard.
post #65 of 85
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Originally Posted by oisin View Post




I don't think it matters much if at all where it occurred . I'm not a lawyer but I would guess it was assault.
 

I would say the guy felt threatened and defended himself.
post #66 of 85
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post




See, you think they are already too crowded also.........

Ban alpine skiing. It attracts more clueless gapers to the hills than snowboard or freeheel skiing which both require some effort to learn. 

Most of the aggressive out of control rednecks with no respect for the code of conduct, ignorant of etiquette and safe practices and unwilling to learn are on alpine skis. Pull your wooly hat from over your eyes and look around.
post #67 of 85
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post




Me personally I don't repond in an aggresive/loud manner to accidents caused by other peoples idiocy.

I have no doubt in my mind that the boarder hit the skier on purpose. It's a thing they do in Utah. Perhaps the hostility stems from the fact that nearby resorts ban snowboarders. It seems in other parts of the country where they are not subject to discrimination, snowboarders have been integrated into the mainstream.

Lesson learned:  Be ready to duck when confronting someone who has already assaulted you!
post #68 of 85
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post




I have no doubt in my mind that the boarder hit the skier on purpose. It's a thing they do in Utah. Perhaps the hostility stems from the fact that nearby resorts ban snowboarders. It seems in other parts of the country where they are not subject to discrimination, snowboarders have been integrated into the mainstream.

 
Interesting comment. That seems to make sense that they might breed the discontent they abhor.

You reap what you sow . Enjoy that.
post #69 of 85
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Originally Posted by TomF View Post

Let's put this in a different context.  You're sitting in your parked car in a parking lot.  I come flying into the parking lot pull into the spot to the right of you so close that I scratch your car.  Don't you think that you would come flying out of your car yelling at me?
 
No, I'd get your insurance info and file a claim.

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I approached him and was yelling at him.  This gives him the right to punch me in the head?
Yes.


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To restate, he's 30+ years younger and taller than me

Even more reason not to start trouble.


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Originally Posted by TomF View Post

 This doesn't give him the right to sucker punch me.
 

You keep referring to it as a sucker punch, yet a sucker punch is if you hit someone not looking and/or totally oblivious to what's going on, this is clearly not the situation.
post #70 of 85
Is it just me or is there a greater percentage of snowboarders that are retards when it comes to lift lines?  Its like they are always standing around looking the other way, then when it is time to alternate they miss their turn.  On more than one occassion this has happened when I'm standing right behind them.  It is one the most annoying things ever.  Last year at the end of the day at Blue Sky Basin there was an enormous line to get onto the lift.  Unfortunately I was behind a group of stoned teenage riders and people just kept getting in front of them.  Damn kids.
post #71 of 85
 It's just you.
post #72 of 85
Well I see were still at it. As an Gapic Internet Expert Skier I don't get to excited in the lift lines or while I'm posing on the SIDE of the runnnn------Oh-no I just got sprayed w/ snow by a mature women snowboarder and I won't do a damn thing about it. Ok I'm hungry so down to the resort on my Bro Race/Tele twins switch. Finally get my $20 burger and there's no where to sit cause all the tables are saved. I hAtE skiing. Stay tuned for the next Epic adventure.
post #73 of 85
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post



Thats like going to Disneyland and being offended that people are wearing Mickey Mouse ears. N* is a mess. Not justifying anyones rude actions. But if you want to go to a place thats not full of idiots you made the wrong choice. It's not like the there is a lack of choices in the area.
 
Yeah, I went to Alpine Meadows on a monday and everyone was cool. No uptight safety, there were people building jumps, no ridiculous rules.
post #74 of 85
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Originally Posted by oisin View Post




I don't think it matters much if at all where it occurred . I'm not a lawyer but I would guess it was assault.

The line between assault and self defense is entirely dependent on the perception of threat.  That would be the mannorisms of the approach and words spoken before the punch was thrown.    Now if the punk hadn't said anything yet and only caused some incidental conflict between a board and some skis It seems to me the older gentleman could also be guilty of verbal assault.   We don't know, we weren't there.  I still stand by my post that if someone I've never met and might have accidentally cut off snaps their skis off and comes storming up to me shouting, that satisfies a perceived threat to my welfare.  Granted, if there was a previous incident within my control that set someone off I am always the first to apologize.  But, I'm not going to allow myself to be attacked without defending myself.

I doubt I would ever be so upset so as to physically or verbally confront some group of punks (unless I needed to defend a family member from imminent harm).  I'd just snap a cell phone photo of them and go find a patrol or make a call to report the incident.
post #75 of 85
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post


I doubt I would ever be so upset so as to physically or verbally confront some group of punks (unless I needed to defend a family member from imminent harm).  I'd just snap a cell phone photo of them and go find a patrol or make a call to report the incident.
 
Another voice of reason. Let those that handle these events do their job and don't let the actions of a few upset you and disturb your peace. Or what Josh said go ski where people aren't . That's what I do . It's not hard to find quieter places to ride but some new skills might have to come to fruition. All the more reason to find the less traveled paths.
post #76 of 85
I'm all for "Let's All Get Along" and give space where space is needed. But I must admit most of the issue's I see do involve a snowboarder.
Not throwing rocks just saying.
Do you remember what the elderly were saying about us young kids? I do.
Plus it begs the question: Why is the number #1 resort in North America Deer Valley (past few years) and why doesn't Deer Valley allow snowboarding?
post #77 of 85
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Originally Posted by Jon Jacobson View Post

Plus it begs the question: Why is the number #1 resort in North America Deer Valley (past few years) and why doesn't Deer Valley allow snowboarding?

Because it was voted number one by people who don't like snowboarding.
post #78 of 85
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Originally Posted by Jag View Post



BTW, that whole Skier vs. Snowboarder thing died a long time ago.

 

 A........ Yeah!
post #79 of 85
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post




I have no doubt in my mind that the boarder hit the skier on purpose. It's a thing they do in Utah. Perhaps the hostility stems from the fact that nearby resorts ban snowboarders. It seems in other parts of the country where they are not subject to discrimination, snowboarders have been integrated into the mainstream.

Lesson learned:  Be ready to duck when confronting someone who has already assaulted you!
 
I see you live in Maryland so I'll excuse your glaring ignorance of reality.
post #80 of 85
Wow, this thread and a few others I've seen in the past day or so really give a clear indication of the demographics on this forum.  Ingroup bias is a hell of a thing, isn't it?
post #81 of 85
You're not kidding.  I've come to the conclusion that some of the skiers on this board are so spiteful that they even hate themselves and their brethren.
post #82 of 85
Just want to point out that if you consistently have bad experiences with other people who are different from you whether they be, snowboarders, skiers, mountain bikers, hikers, ORVers, whatever... the one consistent thing in all those encounters is you and the problem almost certainly lies with you. Not them. Figure out what you are doing wrong and deal with it.
post #83 of 85
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

 It's just you.

Actually, it varies a lot from place to place, you it's just all of us...
post #84 of 85
My best story is a group of about ten boarders, probably nice kids by themselves, who were blocking the access to a trail off a lift.  I asked,"Can one of you move to the side so we can get going?"  One jackass said to me:"I stay where I want to."  So I replied, Well, I spit wherever I want."  He moved.

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Originally Posted by suudsu View Post

It is sad how obnoxious and rude they are. They yell, cuss, slam their boards around, run into you, run over your skis slide into you off the lift, and possibly the worst is the sitting down in front of you and in the most inconvenient places. Some skiers are also guilty of the same crimes.

Actually there was a 3 person wide area of a run where two snowboarders were sitting. Not wanting to hit them, and just pissed, I slowed down a bit and apparently sprayed one. He actually followed me to the lift, but I was ahead (alone) and he told me he would beat the s**t out of me, and actually threatened my life!

If he actually cared so much why would he sit his ass in the middle of the run?

Lesson: Some people should just go die. Society has no need for scum like that and to actually threaten someone's life, you have issues. His parents should be ashamed to have failed at raising their own son so badly.

How can someone be so arrogant, ignorant, obnoxious, and stupid?

I believe their parents never spent time with them, or for that matter, raised them at all.


What do you guys think? What are your stories?
 
post #85 of 85
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Originally Posted by JoeUT View Post



I see you live in Maryland so I'll excuse your glaring ignorance of reality.
 
They film themselves doing it and post the videos on U-Tube.

It was a wide open slope, only two people on it, the guy laughed after he did it, then joined his friends (who he probably hoped had been watching). That was no accident.
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