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Two questions: boot spacing and Gs?

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
On our recent ski week, my sister was taken by our Pro's instruction to keep the feet together. Just enough apart to prevent "fouling".
Any Ideas on how to explore the benefits? She had "just been getting comfortable with keeping her feet apart" in her words. Now she is confused.

Second question, same skier.
She can negotiate almost any terrain, but keeps her skies flat and "swishy".
I have tried to encouraged her to go for the high G forces. She looks at me with a blank stare and asks "What are G-forces"? She hasn't felt it yet.

What may be the best path to the enticing world of carving turns and the association with "loading 'em up"?

I advised "railroad turns" or just riding a single ski till she looked back up the mountain. I didn't get far.

Is it true, skiing can not be learned from a spouse or direct family member?

post #2 of 13
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Is it true, skiing can not be learned from a spouse or direct family member?


Not totally true but it's pretty accurate.
post #3 of 13
go somewhere real flat, have them tip their skis very slightly (balance point) and do not steer their skis at all. Just let the ski follow it's own track. (wide stance helps for balance) this will get them to feel a pure carve. it feels real awkward but usually gets them headed in the right direction. I'll be doing lots of that again this week end to see if I can get more and more angulation and stop the drift in my skiing. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #4 of 13
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Is it true, skiing can not be learned from a spouse or direct family member? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Based on experience with my last GF, an ex ski racer, I say, absolutely.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
So, Someone, not me, needs to get her to stop at the top of some flatter section, demonstrate the carve, and get her to do the same. Then let the thrill build from there?

I'll tell her from the safety of my East Coast computer.

Sunny and 80's today.

post #6 of 13
Why don't you just ask her to get her feet away from her body in the belly of the turn? That simple thing helps a large number of people.

The RR Track drill works too, but MOST people like your sister will still try to steer the ski, not just let it move by itself.

I'd ask her: do you turn the skis, or do the skis turn you? Then, I'd go on a trip to get her to let the skis turn her. You can't develop G forces on a skidded ski. (Well, you can, but they're greatly diminshed.)

post #7 of 13
calg- have her try crab walk, From a wedge on flat terrain have her just flatten the right leg to go right as she tips the foot and leg over the binding to flatten this ski the left ski will be pulled to a higher edge angle. (DON"T TURN!) just focus on flattening the right ski. She should feel the left ski carve a clean arc, repeat the other direction. After you get the feel of this start to connect them.

From a traverse see how far she can tip her legs up the hill starting from the feet with out allowing her weight to move. This should cause a uphill carve.

If unable to feel this on her skis get some blades or short shape skis and try it again
post #8 of 13
What kind of ski is she on? What length?
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Well, the no forces from a skidding turn is what keyed me into the fact that she might be able to have more fun.
I was quick to point out that she might like the turns she was making, but, that I really liked the ones that pressed me onto my edges and she might like them as well.

I asked her to side slip and then edge into a gliding traverse to feel the difference, but the down hill momemtum just isn't there once you are going sideways.

The Carve, Resist, Release sequence is the real kick.

I will forward your comments.

post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 

Volkl G20 mens in about 170cm She Demoed hard two years ago.
She might be 5'-10" and 130#

What gets me is that she can get through bumps, crud and trees without catastrophy, but she doesn't like it.

post #11 of 13
Yuki asked the right question, and your sister's skis are too long to learn to lock that edge up. Remember that women on the World Cup are skiing slalom on 150's. This means that she can't get a clean carve on a 170 at less than about 25 mph.

Have her go a few days on 140's (and take a lesson not from you!) to work on this. (It wouldn't hurt you either.) Or even blades--vehicles that hurt you when they are not on their edges!

This will answer both the questions about the g's and the stance.

If you're going to develop that g pressure, you need big edge angle. If you want big angle, you need wider stance (to clear the inside leg our of the way of the tipping). Interestingly, a wide foot width does not necessarily mean the legs are far apart--except during the transition. It does mean that the inside leg has to flex at knee and ankle SIGNIFICANTLY more than the other one.

If you don't need lots of angle to engage edge--like bumps and powder, then you may profit from a narrower stance.

Lastly, I would avoid the wide gorilla stance. It's really exaggerated for rec skiing.
post #12 of 13
And it's not that loved ones can't teach each other. It's that usually they aren't necessarily experienced teachers or really knowledgeable skiers.

If you know your stuff, you can teach your mother! Except of course in the case of my dad, who at the age of 85 still can't imagine that I know anything worth knowing. After all he really knows what a moron I am. He saw me as a child! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #13 of 13
If she's already taking lessons, there's really not much you can do, other than carve turns in front of her and hope she will follow. You know, the intent thing. This helped my sister a bit on her snowboard.
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