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Women Only Lessons ??

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I have been thinking about taking a women’s only lesson at either Keystone or Copper. I am wondering if it’s really a regular group lesson just wrapped up in a new marketing package or is it really different?
post #2 of 23
I think that the instructors don't burp, fart, and curse as much.
post #3 of 23
Hi Kima! Usually, the Women's clinics are a decent package, price wise. The instructors discuss female specific alignmnet issues, as well as female specific psychological issues, as they relte to skiing.
post #4 of 23
My wife took one at Okemo and raved about it, said it was teh best ever. here is another thread with good input. http://www.epicski.com/cgi-bin/ultim...c&f=4&t=000478
post #5 of 23
Kima,
If they call it a woman's clinic, it should be. While Lisa mentioned psycholgical factors--its more physiological. If it's a good clinic they'll talk sbout some of the following.
With a wider pelvic spread then men, alignment" issues are different. Cant adjustment is crucial to women's performance.
Also, we carry our fat in our butts, "but" men (sorry, guys) do so mostly around the midsection; ergo you always hear women being told to "get over their skis, lean forward, etc." (So men already may have a little more, ahem, "gravity pull" there or at least are less likely to sit back.
A good gal's clinic should emphasize the importance of good boot fit--including heel lifts. IMHO all women can benefit from heel lifts in their boots.
There's tons more too it, but this should help. look up Jeanne Thorens on the web, .com maybe? She knows her stuff & runs women's clinics around the country. Look for technique stuff by Peter Keelty too.

Good Luck,
TS
post #6 of 23
You might look into our program at Eldora. It is an ongoing series of lessons taught by the same female instructor over a multi week period.
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks LM, Phil and Treepicker Sue, sounds worthwhile to me. Glad to hear I am not the only one with a rather large derrière. BTW, I am thinking more of just a half-day lesson not a multi day clinic.


Thanks too to MilesB between my 2 dogs and Husband I need a respite from all the farting and belching. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #8 of 23
Normally I steer away from things that are billed specifically for women - such as skis. However...I have attended women's ski clinics and found them to be great. I ususally do some research on the instructor re: her background and credentials. Also I watch for which ski's will be demoed.

If you think the instructor is on par with you (what you want to accomplish/where you want to grow) and the price is right I highly recommend you give it a go.

We are never too old or too advanced to learn a new trick or two, IMHO.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 14, 2001 02:22 PM: Message edited 5 times, by Sugar Snack ]</font>
post #9 of 23
One thing to remember is that most any special ski program--women's seminar, race camp, or whatever--will involve some of the top instructors in the ski school. That alone is a big advantage of these programs over "regular" group ski lessons.

In the case of a women's program, of course, the instructors will be drawn from the top female instructors on the staff. Other differences will vary with the program, but often women-specific programs will incorporate special motivational speakers or lectures/programs that focus on the unique needs of women. These include equipment and physiology, as well as motivation and psychology.

Unfortunately, I've never been directly involved with a women-only clinic (they're usually quite particular about that!), but from what I've seen, they almost always have a great time and draw great reviews from the participants and instructors alike.

Do it!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 14, 2001 01:06 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Bob Barnes/Colorado ]</font>
post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob Barnes/Colorado:
One thing to remember is that most any special ski program--women's seminar, race camp, or whatever--will involve some of the top instructors in the ski school. That alone is a big advantage of these programs over "regular" group ski lessons.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow I had no idea, thought they just picked whoever was available.

I think I will try Copper's WOMEN'S WEDNESDAY CLINICS. I also like that they limit the group to 6.
post #11 of 23
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sugar Snack:
Normally I steer away from things that are billed specifically for women - such as skis. However...I have attended women's ski clinics and found them to be great. I ususally do some research on the instructor re: her background and credentials. Also I watch for which ski's will be demoed.

If you think the instructor is on par with you (what you want to accomplish/where you want to grow) and the price is right I highly recommend you give it a go.

We are never too old or too advanced to learn a new trick or two, IMHO.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

RE: special womens equipment

Boots

Beside the nice colors, most MFG's are now building them differently. Lower or adjustable cuffs for more calf clearance, softer flex for the same model, etc...

Skis

I understand are starting to be built differently as well, softer flex patterns for same ski of same length, etc.. The are not for every person but it helps to have the option..
post #12 of 23
Treepicker sue
you posted

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> IMHO all women can benefit from heel lifts in their boots <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know about ALL but probably most.

One of the ladies I watched getting fitted would have benefitted from having the heels lowered (less ramp angle)

Get thee to the boot fitter...

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 14, 2001 01:55 PM: Message edited 1 time, by dchan ]</font>
post #13 of 23
>>Wow I had no idea, thought they just picked whoever was available. <<

No--a multiday program is a highly desirable teaching assignment, so it is usually competitive as far as staffing--the highest priority instructors going first. And these programs are often "flagship" programs for a ski school. They want to do a top-notch job, so they use the best talent available.

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #14 of 23
I think it's great. In every other thing there's women only stuff, skiing should be no different.

It's taken me 42 years, and I still have a lot to learn -- but one thing I know. Women are, different. And that's a good thang.

Yeah. Here's to women being different!
post #15 of 23
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dchan:


RE: special womens equipment

Boots

Beside the nice colors, most MFG's are now building them differently. Lower or adjustable cuffs for more calf clearance, softer flex for the same model, etc...

Skis

I understand are starting to be built differently as well, softer flex patterns for same ski of same length, etc.. The are not for every person but it helps to have the option..
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I agree - it's nice to have the option they just aren't options I need. I'm 5'10, 145lbs (all muscle, baby ) with long thin calfs so I don't run into the problems most women do. My Salomon Equipe 9.0 boots fit me perfectly and are nice and stiff - just the way I like.

They've been making skis for women for the past 15 years - they are too soft for me and I couldn't care less about the color. I'm skiing, not walking down the runway.
post #16 of 23
Skis and boots are getting softer for both men an women. Skis are torsionally stiff, but the overall flex pattern, I think is softer. Boots are becoming softer to accomodate better ankle flexion. Look at the new Rossi soft boot. I personally have gone shorter and softer and my skiing has improved because of it. My skis are 173, down from 208. My teaching skis are 160 and they are a gass! My boots are D-59 plastic, down from D-61. The D number is the density of the plastic.
post #17 of 23
Kima, I've been thinking about doing one of those Wednesday clinics at Copper, as well. Last year I didn't end up making it, but I hope to this year. If you beat me to it, report back, and I'll do the same!
post #18 of 23
Thread Starter 
Will do Segbrown. Planning on sometime in Dec if we ever get snow. heard we may get some Sunday. Keeping my fingers crossed. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
Yesterday I attended the Women’s Only Wednesday clinic at Copper Mountain. I was so looking forward to this class that I barely slept on Tuesday.

When I made my reservation I was firmly told to be at the ski school desk by 8:30 which meant getting up at 6:00 on the road by 6:30. Arrived ready to ski at the desk at 8:30. “Ok here is your tickets meet at the lift at 10:00” What? Ok I was more than a bit pissed. Why tell people to arrive that early? When I mentioned this to the instructors it was clear that others had been given this same information.

Oh well went and skied a couple of runs. I have not skied midweek in forever. I have got to do that more often! A few turns and my anger was gone. Next run I spied someone skiing in a red velvet suit. Could it be??? YES it is Santa! Did a run with St. Nick, who rips by the way. What a thrill, would have thought I'd get to ski with Santa?

The meeting place was a bit of cluster lots of standing around why they figured out who was to go with who. To the lift at 10:30, classes arranged. I saw no groups larger than 4. A never ever had a “private”

Our group had 3 students, Intermediate /advanced Intermediate, and the most wonderful instructor, MJ . My best ever lesson. By the end of the day MJ had “fixed” my biggest problem. Dropping my left shoulder when I feel in trouble. Something that I have been working on for at least 2 years. The other 2 women in our group both showed noticeable improvement.

I know that I am aware more of teaching techniques because of this forum. Because we have talked about “women lesson” I was paying close attention to how MJ explained what she wants us to do. With me it took 3 different explanations of what she was trying to say until it made sense to me. A little slow I know.

Not that it matters but this is what she said. 1st. Ski with your belly button leading the way. To me that meant skiing like I was impersonating a pregnant women. Belly out front shoulders back.

2nd try. Ski with your chest out. Ok that meant chest out, shoulders back, rather like a marine at attention.

3rd try. Square you shoulders and lead with them. MJ demonstrating sightly exaggerated. Click. Breakthru. Looked for icy patches to try it out. All I can say is amazing. I for perhaps the first time felt fluid.

Now would a man take the time to find the right explanation for me? Maybe but Mj did it with grace not the slightest bit of impatience showing.

The difference in the women’s class was subtle more of encouraging the students rather than challenging them.

I would highly recommend Women’s Wednesdays. I hope to take another one later in the year. Although I will sleep a bit later.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 20, 2001 08:19 AM: Message edited 2 times, by Kima ]</font>
post #20 of 23
Kima--I'm glad you had a good time at the Copper Women's Wednesday! I know that Copper's ski school director lurks here at EpicSki, so he'll probably see your post, but I'll print a copy and make sure of it! I'll also get a copy to MJ.

Thanks also for your feedback on areas where we can improve. Information always seems to be a challenge, since those people answering the phones are not directly involved with the ski school. They have to answer questions about anything and everything at the resort. We're working on it....

I agree with you too that "standing around" happens a little too much during the organizational parts of the day. I'll pass that info on to the supervisor involved.

Next time you're up, ask your instructor to introduce us. I was there observing the "split" from a distance--even said "hi" as I skied past MJ's (your) group at one point.

I'm glad you had a successful day. Perhaps the biggest advantage of a women-only group is simply that a male instructor, or anyone in mixed company, just can't get away with telling women to ski "with your chest out"--even if it may be good advice. Even if a man did "take the time" to find this explanation--he couldn't usually use it!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 
Bob, next time I will try to seek you out. I was peering at name tags to see if I could spot you but alas poor eye-sight and all.

Several of the guys skied up to say hi to MJ. It was obvious she is well respected.

Yes I can understand what your saying about perhaps offending someone. It was nice not having to think the "Appropriatness" of any comments.

It was a good day. I cannot wait to ski again on Saturday! I guess that means a success.

post #22 of 23
Yeah apropriateness is not an issue in Women's Ski class. Heck, you can talk about kegels all day !

Administration DOES seem to be an issue. Update on my How not to run a ski school thread: I was supposed to get a call back from Okemo, regarding my placement in the workshop. Never did, so I called them. The girl at the desk says "I think you are in, but I need to call you back". I don't get a call back. Called again today. I'm in, I'm happy. Someone else may have just gotten discouraged. None of these calls were 800 #s. I think all ski schools need to get their phone act together!

Anyway, sounds like you ended up with a great lesson! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #23 of 23
Thread Starter 
Yes it was a great lesson LisaMarie. I hope yours goes as well.

Merry Christams to you, Mark, Giselle, kitties and bunnies! We are off for ten wonderful days in Summit County. See you in the New Year! Maybe even in person if fates allow our paths to cross.
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