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Boot fitting Blog: Fitting my Nordica Doberman Pro EDT 130

post #1 of 6
Thread Starter 
My foot by the numbers:
I made some measurements of my foot and they are as follows:

Length: 29,6cm
Width: 10,25cm
US size: 13
Mondo point: 30,6 (dont know what that means)
Boot width: B

My previous boots were the older model a few years back (06?) size 10, 335mm. In order to make them fit back then we had to punch the shell in a few places. They hurt like hell the first few times but now they fit very comfortably. My feet get cold eventually on a very cold day but I could not fit a heater into the boots because I can feel the chord in the heel pocket. I can barely fit a finger behind my heel in the shell as I do a shell fit.

New boots
The new boots are size 10 but have a 5mm shorter sole. It measures 330mm. Its still supposed to be the same size as the old 10. The linear has the size 10,5 printed on it. The linear fits very snuggly on my foot. My big toe is streching the linear in front even though the heel is as far back as possible. The linear looks to be very similair to the older ones I have ecpeically to the one I bought last year. When I shell fit I cannot stick a finger behind the heel because there is no room. The boot fitter said it looks like its a very very snugg fit. He used a flash light to peer into the heel pocket. No streching of the boot was needed except for a bone sticking out midfoot at the outside side of the foot on both feet. On the left foot a small strech of the shell was made to make room for slightly enlargend top of heel. There is need to do something about my outside ancle bone on both feet. They press against the shell when I move my foot.

In general the boot feels very very tight. Tighter than my old dobies. Tighter than the old model of last years dobies that they have new in the shop. Ancle bones pressing to the outer sides. Toes have no room for wiggling. Instep cannot be tightened much before it starts to hurt. Taking out the standard thin cheesy footbed allowed for a slightly more comfortable fit.

First on snow test
The boot fitter told me I should do some skiing before anything more should be done to the boots so I took them out to the local hill. Temperature was 15-20 below cero deg C and the snow was hard firm and perfect for carving. The first thing that stiked me was that the boots were smaller and easier to move arround with. Did not feel as clumsy. I dont know why because 5mm should not make much difference. However, skiing on my SL skis showed that it was a complete different ball game. Note that I was previously canted 1deg out and now Im flat. The skis were much much quicker to turn on. On and off the edges lightning fast. Like the skis were not the same. I liked it. One thing that I realized soon on was that the heel was not as firmly in place as I was used to. Not that it was moving or anything like that but it was just not that familiar feeling of the linear and boot holding it snugg in its place. Notissed that I had to loosen the buckles after every run because my feet started to hurt. After the second run my feet were hurting and getting numb. The fore foot that is. After my third run my feet were hurting so much I could not stand the pain any longer. My foot bead and my forefoot were hurting like hell. Barely made it to the cafeteria and started to unbuckle. Did not take the boot off but unbuckling helped. Sat there for a while and skied home. Barely made it, yes Im lucky enough to live by the local hill, and after some major complications including damaged wardrobe shelves managed to get the boots off. What a nice feeling. Best feeling all year.

I know the first time it always hurts. I experianced the same pains with previous 4 boots. However, I suspect that the metal under the footbed can have something to do with how cold the boot felt. I also think that the boot is slightly too small vertically. Is it possible to strech the shell vertically, increasing the instep and arround the forefoot and toes? And some streching forward at the toe to give place for my big toe. Im wearing the boots right this moment in the office and they are nubing off.

Any thaughts whatsoever much appreciated.
post #2 of 6
With the proper equipment and experience a boot fitter can stretch a ski boot in width, heigth and length, however, length does have more limitations. 

From your comments I would say the reason you had cold feet were most likely from the boots being to tight.  Also, I assume you mean a Euro size 10, US 11?  A 330mm bsl sounds a bit long for a US 10?

I beleive the big question is:  can you stretch the boots enough so you can ski in them all day?  Only you and your boot fitter will know the answer to that...
post #3 of 6
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your input SBG. Its a UK size 10. The bsl is for the new EDT model reduced to 330mm from 335mm but its supposed to be the same size as the old model. The linear is the exact same size. But it feels tighter than annother pair of brand new last years dobies. So how did they reduce the base of the boot without reducing the overall size? One way of dooing it would be to make the boot come closer to the bindings both ín front and in the back. Did some measurements. When I place the boots in the bindings of my skis both new and old boots come as close to the bindings but the measurement from the tail of the ski to the back of the boot is 5mm longer on the new boots. In other words the boot became 5mm shorter. This is bad news since my foot measures 29,6mm and it requires a boot with at least 30,6mm space on the inside. Im going to try to measure the inside to see what the exact measurement is.

If the new EDT model is 5mm shorter than the old model its something that should be conveyed the buyer. For some its a good thing for some its not. For me its not since the UK10 is the biggest shell they make.

BTW, how is it with the Strolz boots and the base length vs shoe size? I have heared that they have a shorter base length. If this is the case, how did they do it?
post #4 of 6

Strolz varies the thickness of the shell in half sizes and has different liners.  Unlike most Alpine ski companies the boot sole length of a Strolz in a 27.5 and 28.0 Strolz are the same however they have different shell thickness and liners to take up the half sizes.  (Most boot companies would be 28.0 and 28.5 would be the same). Keep in mind, with a custom foam boot the foam will take up the difference of foot size and shape, but you still need the shell size to be correct in length and width.  Which is why I do shell and liner modifications with most of the people I work with.

I would not worry so much about bsl but would have a boot fitter do a shell size, and measure the width of your foot and make custom modifications accordingly to the shell.  That of course is easier said than done and will take time.  It sounds like you need a really really good boot fitter, not one that is in training.

Good luck!
post #5 of 6
Thread Starter 
The boot fitter that is working on my boots now has done boot modifications for 20y. On the other hand, one that knows everything about what he does is also not always the best. You know what I mean. I talked to an other boot fitter that did boots for me 7y ago and now lives at other far away location and he said that my problem with my front part of my foot is that the new boot is too narrow and that my toes are squeezed together by the narrow linear and shell and even if there are no pressure points, my foot now gets pressed on from abowe and it feels overly tight. The fix would be to widen the boot. I dont like this at all sice my old dobies fit good and a boot too wide will cause boot out sooner. Even if its on the LTE side of the boot.

Thanks for the Strolz info. The guy at the Strolz factory shop in stanton looked at my foot a few years ago and he said its simply too big and he just shook his head. He did not want to make a racing boot for me. I have not been to their www site to look what boots they sell now but looks like I need to go to the factory for help.
post #6 of 6

I wanted to clarify a few things, Tim Barnhorst is the only guy that works for the Strolz USA Importer and trained in Lech Austria where the main headquarter for Strolz is, there isn't a factory here in the USA.  Tim works for Strolz at the Hampton and North Conway NH locations.

Also, you said your foot was 10.25cm wide (about 103mm?), there would be no problem fitting your foot into a Strolz at that wide.  Earlier this season I fit a guy in a Strolz 28.0 that was 118mm wide.  Of course I had to do shell and liner modifications.

Good luck...
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