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post #1 of 14
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Hi All,
I don't remember where, but I ran across info regarding the "Superfeet" custom footbed systems. I was wondering what the group thought about that brand.
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post #2 of 14
chasboy this is more appropriate for the gear discussion but I will answer it here.

I think the Superfeet footbed system is the very least amount of work that any shop can do the get into the business of footbed making. It requires a small amount of investment, no grinding and very little labor. I would recommend them if you run a shop and you hire less skilled labor and want to maximize you're profits and offer the public something better than stock footbeds.

If you are a skier that is purchasing the Superfeet footbed system and are really only interested in much more comfort and mild gains in edging then go with Superfeet. I don't consider them to be a high performance footbed. More like a recreational footbed. If you are not near a decent reputable shop with top notch people or are not willing to travel to one of these shops then go with the Superfeet system. They are much harder to screw up than high performance footbeds.
post #3 of 14
The best answer I know to this question is the answer to another question: How can I have my ski boots fit and work as well as possible?

Answer: Go to an excellent bootfitter, and that person will know which materials and techniques will work best for you.

Check this URL: http://www.epicski.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
post #4 of 14
Pierre says it best.

I will only add that Superfeet are pretty ridgid and will not let the foot articulate properly. A good bootfitter can do surgery on them to get them to function properly. They are inweighted during the forming stage. I think that partial weighting is necessary for a proper fit, due the changes in the foot when weighted.
post #5 of 14
Sorry guys, but I am going to disagree with Pierre and Rick H...
I have been using Superfeet since 1979, and will swear by them... (not at them)...

They are as high performance a footbed as you'll find on the market. And they can be made in various ways, based upon the preferences of the customer. And a really nice feature is that they can be remolded. Most footbeds cannot be reshaped after the initial fitting. At the local shop that I do some favors for, I still make the footbeds their customers need.

Over the years, I have tried several different brands/types of footbeds, and haven't found any which give me the degree of sensitivity to the snow,a nd support, and comfort as my Full-Cork's. And they are WARM!!! As cork is a pretty decent insulator, I find that they help provide a nice layer to help block out the cold after hours standing on the snow, day after day.

One point of agreement is that the basic requirement is the need for a competent craftsman to make them, just as would be needed for any product. Some barely trained shop flunky can do a skier more harm than good with a poor fit, regardless of the product used.

I worked for Superfeet for a few years back in the 80's, and the system hasn't changed much since its introduction, other than adding a few additional products to the line. At that time, we were sent through a full training program to learn not only the product, but also a good deal of anatomy, and the various ways to adapt the product to various individual needs.

There are a lot of good, beneficial footbed products on the market. But to say one is better than any other doesn't hold water! Any footbed is only as good as the technician making them.

post #6 of 14
Possibly so vail snopro but I have had to make adjustments to every Superfeet footbed that I have come across.

[ January 10, 2004, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: Pierre ]
post #7 of 14
The problem with Superfeet is that they required the sort of training Vail SnoPro went through for each initial "franchise" shop set up, but then the shop employees changed and a retraining was not required. The result is the shop owners, who had sent employees to the training, tried to absorb some of the techniques without understanding the basis for them, and then passed their version of the information on to newer employees.
post #8 of 14
Well Kneale that is what we must have around here in NE Ohio. I haven't seen one decent Superfeet footbed yet. Then again, these guys around here all got into footbeds within the last two years.

[ January 11, 2004, 08:22 AM: Message edited by: Pierre ]
post #9 of 14
I swear by superfeet as well. I have my original footbeds from 17 years ago. Still skiing them. Have had them re-evaluated by several great fitters including Greg at GMOL (he actually showed them to others in the masterfit U clinic I went to because of the "vintage of the cork") All have said they are still a good footbed and no adjustments are needed.

I think it's the fitter's skill that makes a good footbed. Superfeet, Downunders, Instaprint (I've tried these three) and they all feel and work great for me but I'm still skiing my original Superfeet Kork.
post #10 of 14
I do not use the superfeet system, we use the amfit system by archcrafters which is the same system Surefoot uses. That being said I think there are some inherent 'challenges' to making a superfeet custom footbed properly so it does what it is meant to. However, the right technician can overcome those challenges and come up with an excellent product. I have seen many and I have seen some that aren't as good or simply weren't finished/fitted well.

More and more I see blanket statements regarding footbeds on here and I don't get it. I will repeat the same thing, it all comes down to having the right technician do the work. There are lots of good systems out there and you need to find someone who knows enough to make a given system work for a given foot.
post #11 of 14
The footbed is as good as the person that makes it. I would post a question on the alignment of the foot as to get correct position. This is called neutral. There is quit a science to this and I have observed many footbeds that do nothing to help a skier. I would do lots of research on the subject before laying out one hundred plus bucks for a foot bed that doesn’t help you

post #12 of 14
I finally plunked down some dough for custom footbeds and wish I had done it years ago. I went with the surefoot system and love them. I consider myself an expert skier who has skiied for over 25 years. They have made me even better. How? Quicker in the moguls, better edge control on ice and easier turns in the powder. What I don't understand is why more boot makers don't start supplying them directly with the boots?
post #13 of 14
I'll add another testimonial to the Superfeet system. I've been using them since they first came out, and my original pair is still going strong at around 20 years old. And I'll also affirm what others have said--like a wrench, they are only as good as the nut on the end of the handle! I've had several pairs made since the originals, in addition to several non-Superfeet beds, and none has worked as well as the first pair of cork Superfeet. They were built by one of Superfeet's originators, who knew exactly what he was doing. A true expert can make pretty much any footbed system work, but few others will last as long, or be as warm as the Superfeet cork model.

Yes, they are rigid, rather than flexible, but they are designed to allow the foot to articulate as needed for effective skiing.

Do check Superfeet out--but inquire about the experience of the boot fitter who makes them. While the unweighted vaccuum-bag molding system is pretty fool-proof, it still takes expertise and care to make sure that the foot is aligned correctly, and to make sure the footbed molds appropriately to your foot, especially in the forefoot area.

Incidentally, Steve Bagley, who did a presentation about boots for our first EpicSki Academy, is a Superfeet guy. Sign up for the EpicSki Academy at the end of the month, and have Steve build you a pair at his shop in Snowbird!

Good luck!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #14 of 14
I still have trouble working out how anyone can really claim to correct any foot problem on a weighted or partly weighted foot mold

I can SEE the displacement as soon as my foot hangs down.... how can anyone 'compensate' for my foot bones all popping out of line?

& the proof of the pudding is in the 2 pairs of footbeds I have - which still don't come close to the orthotics my podiatrist built (which are unfortunately just a fraction too thick to keep in the ski boots.... )

I have tested all 3 in my inline skates & tele boots...
a) the surefoot things give me bad foot cramps
b) the instaprint ones are better - but still don't allow me to really balance on my right foot (left not bad)
c) my orthotics provide reasonable balance - although I can now feel the slight imperfection the physiotherapist noted (Ok - my ankle needed to be fixed before the foot was cast as it has a weird impact on foot.... more ankle work helps better movement - requires a change in orthotic)
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