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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I know nothing about bindings, any people out there with a fetish for bindings (other than the studded leather sort [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img] ) that can answer a few questions?

1. The bindings in the shop range from around 50-220 Euro, other than 170 Euros whats the difference?

2. What are the bindings with the fancy gizmo's supposed to do? Do they do work.

3. What bindings would you recommend for a pair of freeride ski's.

4. What bindings would you avoid?

post #2 of 10
I usually buy the second model from the top of the line. Why? Best retention,diagonal release,ect. I don't need a 15 DIN setting that the top one offers you. I prefer Tyrolia's power select($270.00)American. Yes the 3-way flex selector does work. Turn,Mid and Grip. The last 4 skis I bought have Tyrolia's on them. They've never pre-released. I had started using Markers before and had two Internal Springs break on the toes. Marker replaced them without a problem(it took 5 weeks),but during ski season didn't help. I would rather have good bindings and old skis than vise-versa.
post #3 of 10
1) The higher prices usually represent a stronger spring int he binding that allows for a higher DIN setting, and those same bindings usually come with some mort of plate designed for dampening the ride of the ski (salomon poweraxe, marker piston, the list goes on). Also these bindings will have a fair amount of lift on them as well, usually putting you up off the snow around 45 - 50mm.

2)By the bindings with the fancy gizmos im assuming you mean the plates that lift them off the ski. They are designed to create more lift and to dampen the ride of the ski. This will increase edgehold and give the ski a more solid feel underfoot - especially on groomed and harpack, or any icy type of conditions.

3)For freeride skis i would use either a very light plated binding or a very light non plated binding. I would reccommend a salomon s912ti pe2 or a plain s912ti. the regular 912ti comes with a slightly lifted heel and weighs almost nothing. I am partial to salomon because thats all i ski on but other bindings are great too. I know salomon best so that is what i reccommend.

4)As for bad bindings, i dont think there are any out there. As long as youre staying within the higher end bindings that each company offers they are all going to offer good performance and reliable releasing.

Hope that helps a little


post #4 of 10
One of the greatest differences in the variously priced bindings is the materials that they are constructed of.
Cheaper bindings generally use a higher percentage of various injected plastics, rather than the metal alloys of the more expensive versions. Part of that is the main release spring, but even more of it is in the chassis. As the alloys get used, so does the durability of the binding improve.
I can't tell you how many times customers have walked up to me at a sale, weighing in at 200+#, claiming to be an expert, aggressive skier, and ask for the best binding under $50. Sometimes I can actually not laugh, but other times I can't help myself. So the analogy I use-
"Would you put VW tires on your Chevy Suburban?"

Then they finally begin to get the picture.

Make sure the binding you choose suits the needs and purposes of your skiing. If you are not an expert- stay away from race bindings. If you are aggressive, and plan on hucking yourself off anything which provides air, stay away from plastics! If you ski infrequently, stay away from those products which offer all the bells and whistles. You probably won't use them, why pay for them?

I hope this has given you a better idea of why the various pricing structures...

(Time to come clean- I work as a rep for Marker...)

Good Luck! :
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice, I favour the Tyrolia Freeride with the three way flex selector (every review I've seen says it works).
While searching for more info on bindings I found this article about binding position - can anybody give more info on binding placement?

"For years we’ve assumed that, like standardized binding design criteria, manufacturers have divined the ideal place to mount bindings on skis and place mid-sole marks accordingly.

Maybe not.

We observed part of a revealing test at Snowbird last spring, in which a team of statistical experts and ski coaches funded by Nordica, an Austrian maker, worked with six skiers of diverse anatomy, ability and gender to determine the best place to mount bindings.

The study came about in part because of observations that Austrian and German skis appear to place bindings relatively farther back on skis than do their French counterparts. Initial study revealed that skis from Salomon, Rossignol and Dynastar use mid-sole marks that place the ball of the foot relatively close to the center of the running surface — the position used by virtually every World Cup racer and most elite level pros. The Germanic clan uses mid-sole marks that place the foot significantly behind ball-at-center-of-surface method.

"Why?," wondered the test team.

Early results, which I’ll report later, are, to say the least, intriguing. The full study won't be available for some time, but I’ll share my observations from the several days I spent lurking around the test. I suggest you do not purchase any ski-binding-system without first taking note of these observations."


post #6 of 10
I agree with your observation about binding placement. Last season i had the opportunity to ski my new salomon 3V's back to back with a rossignol 9S 9.9. The 9.9's bindings were much farther back on the ski than on my salomons and it felt very strange and unstable. All of my skis - all being salomon and Elan are mounted more centered. They are however mounted exactly where the manufacturer suggests that you mount them. I prefer the center i guess...
Later man
post #7 of 10
When working with elite level racers, we found that most preferred to have the front half of the heel just about over the narrowest part(waist) of the ski. That would be lined up with the tib/fib.

Since this is where these skiers are standing, it makes sense that they want to already be where the ski's performance is generated.

Assuming different foot sizes, this would give each skier a unique placement. Given the generics of the mass market, the manufacturers have selected the "happy medium" which will work for the average skier.

If you have the wherewithal (ie- $$$) to experiment, get together with a really good shop tech and have fun! Another way to find out what might work is to use the Atomic Binding (or older ESS VAR) which has the capability of moving fore and aft.

You might be suprised how much of a difference even .5 of a cm makes!

Good Luck! :
post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 
The new Tyrolia bindings were not in the shop yet but Tyrolia have a 'Railflex System'for 2002/2003 looks similar to the Atomic system. http://www.tyrolia.com/bme.htm

Has anybody had a chance to try these yet? It's also not clear from the web site which models offer the Power Select - can anybody confirm which models in the new Tyrolia line have the Power Select option?

post #9 of 10
Originally posted by DangerousBrian:

"For years we’ve assumed that, like standardized binding design criteria, manufacturers have divined the ideal place to mount bindings on skis and place mid-sole marks accordingly.

Maybe not.
That was my main gripe with the Volkl motion Vertigos. The Pilot system meant I could not change the position of the binding on the ski. I had forgotten about it as they were a nice ski and I had no more money to change them. I would have liked to move the binding but I can't remember which way now.
post #10 of 10
If the Tyrolias are not a possibility, then I would suggest Marker 1200 0r 1300 Piston control bindings. They are like the guy on TV that advertises those rotessire overs, "You can set it... and forget it." The piston makes all the flex choices for you.
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