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What's your definition of grabby corn snow? I skied my 8.7s at Squaw on Thursday and they were difficult to turn in Sun Bowl after lunch. I skied my Contacts on Saturday in similar conditions I could carve much easier. Yeah, I guess I like a slightly softer ski. How do you like a race ski in crud?
Just demoed the 8.1 in 177cm (at 6'2", 200#) and really liked them. Great powder day and they submarined a bit, but were still very managable and fun. Turned well but not too hooky. Now I'm super curious about the 8.7's. Wish I had traded out for them mid-day. How much difference do you really think there is between the two skis?
why a carver with a 87 mm waist? because you can take into the bumps and trees and other off piste area with out having to worry about tip dive and getting stuck in weird snow. most carver absolute suck at general off piste skiing.
even on my 'groomer" freeskiing days I spend alot of time not on groomers and now that I have GS and SL skis there is no reason for me to keep a narrow non race ski carver.
I've skied both of these. Just the opposite experience. As nice as the Contacts were in a few inches of new snow, especially in bumps, they were overmatched when the fresh became rough and cut up. 8.7's, by contrast, smooth out the clumped up crud and ruts nicely, still lively enough to do decently in bumps. And I've found them especially good in heavy mush. They never submarined on me. Oh yeah, I've also tried the AC40's and 50's. Way too numb and heavy for me, like trying to ski chop with a 2x4. Different strokes, I guess...
The 8.7 was a bit stiff IMO as well, for soft snow. I like something with a bit softer tip: Stockli VXL and Elan Apex come to mind. The 8.7 is a pretty stout ski: I prefer the 8.1 in a 179cm. If you are comparing them to carvers, well.....no 88mm ski is going to really compare on hard snow. Kastle MX78, RX, Blizzard Supersonic, SLR IQ, Elan Waveflex 14, Nordica Spitfire, Dynastar Contact 4x4, Stockli Cross CX and SX; all skied circles around the 8.7 and the M-Power 8.7 last year when tested out on Winter Park manmade boilerplate. No question. But, the 8.7 is more versatile than many of those, although the Supersonic is awesome in bumps and crud.
My take: if you want to get a carver, then get a carver, and figure it will be primarily a hard snow ski. A midfat will be a better all-around ski, but obviously not as powerful or have the get-up-and-go of a power carver. Different horses for different courses, as they say. There are some skis that thread the needle though, and out of that group, the MX78 from Kastle and the Supersonic IQ from Blizzard come to mind for me.
Hey Dawg, got some of those Head Raptor boots you told me about coming in next week, if they work out I'll be bringing them in so I can get those MX88's mounted, so hopefully be seeing you soon.
Mike in Bend
Sweet! I love the Raptor, great boot, although I am itching to get into a Lange RS130 soon.