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post #31 of 38
Wedeln is also a useful technique for us tele skiers, except for us it is making turns in both directions without switching stance. It is very useful in situations like tight trees where switching lead foot could compromise your ability to fininsh a turn. Plus it makes people wonder what in the hell you are doing.

Free your heels, poke your eyes out!
post #32 of 38
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I saw another video last night with Martin Heckelman. Not sure if you know who he is but he was demonstrating wedeln and he didn't really do a good job explaining it besides what it means in German, which is to wag the dog's tail or something like that. Any way, my question is about the transition in the turn ... transition is usually the key to most turns in my opinion. At the end of one of the quick turns, do you roll the skis progressively more to there edges to have a platform to transfer weight/transition to the next turn. Or is it more like just turning the feet and rolling edge to edge but with very little edge engagement. I sense that there is more rolling of the edges rather than setting them. Is it important to get your weight over to the outside edge of the new outside ski and then roll over to the inside edge??? How did you teach this type of turn?? A detailed description would be great.
post #33 of 38
Here is a short video showing ski teachers who are "wedeling" : http://home.student.utwente.nl/s.kruisman/wedeln.mpeg
It's a video by some Austrian ski school. You can right-click to download it; it's size is almost 1 Mb. <FONT size="1">

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post #34 of 38
Hello Stephan and welcome to the forum, you link helps a lot in seeing what goes on.

Vman, why wedeln was so revolutionary in it's time was that it was the first maneuver done from the hip down excepting the pole plants, which are crucial because they time the rythm of the turns, the faster the poles are planted the faster the turns.

Previously, turns always involved some rotation or counter rotation of the upper body which precluded real fast turns because any rotation had to be undone before it could be initiated in the opposite direction.

You asked about initiation of the wedel turn. May I better tell you how it FEELS before telling you the particulars. Start out by facing your body down the fall line and be determined not to let it rotate either way, it just goes down the fall line square. As you start moving, plant a pole and start a turn and only move from you hips down, but not even you hips. The feeling is this: since your body doesn't move sideways at all but your skis move out from under you, they progressivly go more on edge until they are as far out to the side that they can't go more without affecting your upper body, that is when the other pole plant times the turn in the opposite direction and it feels again that your skis will only go so far out to the side without shaking your upper body.

Now the way it is done. You need to have quite a bit of knee bend so that when the skis are out to the side you still have some bend left. After the first edge set allow the rebound of the skis to unweight you just enough that the body "floats" without moving up, but allows you to transition by moving the skis underneath you to the other side and there is almost no weight on the skis while they do so but they gather progressivly more weight as they move out to the side having most of it at the edge set at the end of a turn. The need for that rebound unweighting is so that a higher percentage is of side to side movement compared to forward movment can take place.

Wedeln can be done with feet together or several inches apart, but they must move independently, contrary to some beliefs, you can't wedel with knees locked.

The modern short swing is an extension of wedeln. Wheras wedeln was done mostly on moderate terrain, the short swing uses progressivley more edge set and brings the skis around more on steeper terrain. Though the short swing stresses a quiet upper body, the neccesity to move the skis more than in wedeln makes it slower in it's execution.

Go on Buttermilk, start straight down aiming your body at something down the hill and don't let it move sideways or turn from there. Make a "walking" movement, putting all your weight on one ski and push it to the side, then, when you feel that the turn would want to take your body out of the fall line,plant your poole and step on the other ski, that's all. The faster you "walk", timing it with your poles, left pole right foot, right pole left foot, the faster your turns will be. Your main objective should be to not let the turns affect your upper body at all.

Clear as mud, eh? ..Ott
post #35 of 38
I am 45 and live/teach skiing in Colorado. I grew up and learned to ski at Seven Springs in the sixties. Do any of you know Willy and Freddy Klein? Are they still around? In the era that I grew up they were the best at Seven Springs. Maybe you would get a reasonable argument that Lars could hang in there with the two Klein brothers. Any Info?
post #36 of 38
To help us stay in syncopation, our lead, Erwin Mulbauer, would accentuate the pole plants with....

and hop...hop.hop..op..op.op.op.op.op....

increasingly faster to a steady beat till one of us screwed up.

We (students) probably looked like three legged clumsy pups trying to follow the master but it was the best part of the day.

I still do this sometimes (along with the vocal part) just to remember and because my 10 year old likes it. I have a pair of Rossi 9S-9.1 slaloms that have very little shape so I can still get the boots to meet without catching the shovels.<FONT size="1">

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post #37 of 38
I found another video of short turns: http://home.student.utwente.nl/s.kru...hortturns.mpeg
Notice that the skier is lifting his inside leg in each turn.
post #38 of 38

Tragically, most of the old links in this thread no longer function.


Here's my animation of Ott's classic wedeln at Copper Mountain a few years back:




Best regards,


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