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Best Specialty Mogul Skis

post #1 of 33
2/12/10 at 6:37pm
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I have Volkl Mantra 170 as my all-purpose ski and Volkl Kuro 175 as my specialty powder ski.  I'm looking for a good mogul ski.  The Mantras are very versatile and can handle virtually any terrain, condition and skiing style, but they not ideal in moguls (and I love moguls).  I'm 5'8" and 140-150 lbs.

 

I chatted with someone at a mogul competition who swore by the Volkl Wall Mogul. 

 

My apologies for repeating this thread as previous threads appear dated.

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post #2 of 33
2/13/10 at 6:06am
I have the Head SuperMoguls.  I really like them a lot.  I believe they may be stiffer than the Volkl Wall.  The hot Mogul ski is the Hart F-17 that Patrick Dineen skis for the US mogul team.  I tried it this summer up at Mt. Hood.  Its a great ski but its not cheap.  Honestly, I'd pick up whatever you can get a decent deal on.  Mogul skis are much harder to find these days.  
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post #3 of 33
2/13/10 at 1:14pm
Highlights from this thread:

Looking for a good mogul ski, help


I've heard these are getting a bit more popular

http://www.idoneski.com/

http://www.powdermag.com/features/magazine/indieskis/


And these too

http://www.momentskis.com/skis/mowgli.php



I've got a mid 90s pair of Hart F-17s but 07 K2 CaBrawlers are my main bump tool

 

'07 K2 CaBrawler Mogul Skis

Dimensions: 92-66-82
Turn Radius: 23m @ 169cm

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post #4 of 33
2/13/10 at 3:59pm
Wow..very cool.  I had no clue that Moment was making a bump ski.  I always figured them for a fat-board free-ride company.  Cool skis.  
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post #5 of 33
2/13/10 at 6:11pm
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Edited by davluri - 2/13/10 at 9:14pm
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post #6 of 33
2/13/10 at 6:18pm
 Hmmm watching the woman's moguls I am seeing a few pair of Moments, I was surprised about this along with quite a few Marker Jesters, who said these were just for wide skis. 
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post #7 of 33
2/13/10 at 6:24pm
would the fact that some women, or men, were using anything mean anything? really.

bumps should highlight durability factors in a season or so.
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post #8 of 33
2/13/10 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

would the fact that some women, or men, were using anything mean anything? really.

bumps should highlight durability factors in a season or so.

What does any of that mean ???

It's 9:30pm on a saturday, so maybe I'm a little cloudy... but I cannot understand what your point is.
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post #9 of 33
2/13/10 at 6:47pm
Phil mentioned he saw the skis at a comp.

ski companies will claim that the use of their ski by so and so is an indicator of the skis quality. I'm saying it isn't.

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Edited by davluri - 2/14/10 at 8:52am
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post #10 of 33
2/13/10 at 7:22pm
 I like the retro graphics of the K2. 
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post #11 of 33
2/14/10 at 5:21am
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

 I like the retro graphics of the K2. 

Yeah, I noticed that too! Could this be in their 2011 line up as they have nothing close to it this year, at least not on the web site......
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post #12 of 33
2/14/10 at 6:00am
I noticed one of the girls skiing on Salomon 1080 Moguls... the candy orange ones from 8 years ago. Wow. You would think an Olympian could get a new pair of skis.

Lots of old-school Look bindings, Silver/blue fade and red/yellow fade. I know little park-groms that get floated free skis and the new day-glo orange FKS bindings for regional slope style comps... ski Olympic Moguls and you've got to piece your gear together out of Rossi Smash's garage.
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post #13 of 33
2/14/10 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

 ski Olympic Moguls and you've got to piece your gear together out of Rossi Smash's garage.

Is it possible that it is just that nobody is making any gear that they like?  Most of the better freedoggers I knew back in the day came from pretty well to do families that could afford to buy whatever they wanted, yet the patched together Scott boots and Daleboots, constatly swapping out Spaeman springs, etc instead of buyng the newer vendor product offerings.  Heck, the Beddor kids' parents/aunts uncles bankrolled pretty much all of the Central and some of the national USSA Freestyle events.  But, it was pretty difficult for them to find a good new ballet ski in the 80s after Olin quit making them.  Hart, and the others also quite selling ballet skis. 
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post #14 of 33
2/14/10 at 6:54am
I think there is a major fork in the road:
   dedicate mogul ski, or some other ski that does well in moguls.

If you go dedicated, then you have another fork in the road
    buy the ski you want
    buy the ski you can get a deal on.
 

I have the Rossi Scratch moguls. Like most mogul skis, the tips are very flexible, allowing them to absorb energy when slammed into the frontsides.

I got that particualr model because i got a deal on them

You might also get more info at:     http://www.forums.mogulskiing.net/

One of the NBC promos for Olympic moguls showed 3 or 4 (US of course)  skiers on the Hart F-17s
I'm sure the Hart folks had to love that
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post #15 of 33
2/14/10 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

Lots of old-school Look bindings, Silver/blue fade and red/yellow fade. I know little park-groms that get floated free skis and the new day-glo orange FKS bindings for regional slope style comps... ski Olympic Moguls and you've got to piece your gear together out of Rossi Smash's garage.

This needs to be updated but......

Bump 09.jpg
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post #16 of 33
2/14/10 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Is it possible that it is just that nobody is making any gear that they like? 
My point is that Rossignol just re-released the FKS binding, the exact binding most of the girls were skiing on... just they were on the old binding from 10+ years ago.

I know 15 year old park kids skiing on NEXT YEARS GEAR that was given to them.

I find that funny.
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post #17 of 33
2/14/10 at 9:02am
That is funny. maybe a practical streak in serious skiers, not so much for young kids in the park. Some of the Olympian's families have sacrificed mightily to get them where they are today. Still, if they are that good, maybe they need a manager to get them some major perks and gear.

What are the properties of a designated mogul ski for competition?  I see them a lot at Squaw, so no mystery where they are or how to get onto some.
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post #18 of 33
2/14/10 at 5:33pm
Michael Morse is now skiing the F17 WC vs the reg F17 that he won US Nationals on. Bryon Is skiing the reg F17. Nate Roberts on the F17 WC too (The WC has a more traditional mogul sidecut a la Dynastar Twister)

There is some Hart Japana skis being skied, F17 Fusions, no relationship to the American harts. The Canadians are skiing some, Hart Ja
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post #19 of 33
2/19/10 at 5:00pm
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your input.  docbrad66 has a going point.  What skis are good at moguls that aren't dedicated mogul skis?  One of the reasons this guy I met liked the Volkl Wall Mogul was its versatility.
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post #20 of 33
2/21/10 at 11:30am
look at the Elan Bloodline
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post #21 of 33
2/21/10 at 12:31pm
Bump technique is more important than the skis. I’ve been a big bump skier since the 70’s and the ‘stacked style’ taught by folks like Jon Smart, Chuck Martin (both camps & video), Nelson Carmichael, or in Dan DiPiro’s book is a major evolution in bump skiing.

If you are looking to buy a bump ski and not a pro, then I recommend a wider shovel like the Volkl Wall Mogul or Hart F-217 All Mountain or possibly the new K2 Momba (the old is very skinny); ecspecially on the West coast.  The Rossi is fun but break easily (foam core) unless you have a special W-C version. If you want a true bump ski for a first time purchase buy some online, like the Dynastar, Head Mad-Trix, any Volkl (Dragon Slayer, Rebellion), Solomon 1080 Mogul, K2 Cabrawler. I highly recommend wood core skis. If your bumps are tight maybe go a bit shorter, I use 175 at my local area but 180+ where bumps are better spaced (I'm 6', 190 and old).
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post #22 of 33
3/3/10 at 11:21pm
Thread Starter 

Great info everyone, thanks!

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post #23 of 33
3/4/10 at 12:04am
 I like a stiff bump ski (even though when I skied bumps I weighed around 135) The head skis are what I always used and they kicked ass. They are a more traditional shape (less sidecut than newer designs and a stiffer tip)

IDone makes the best mogul ski period IMO. you can get a cracked edge or a solid edge depending on how stiff you want them, they have more sidecut but not too much, and the tip is softer while underfoot and tails are still really stiff

The Volkl ski is pretty nice too, a good shape and a little softer all around.

I hate the rossignol ski, it has too much sidecut, same as the new hart one (never tried it), the rossi one is really soft as well.

From what I hear the dynastar, salomon and k2 skis are all about the same, I'm not sure if they all still make them. They are all kind of traditional shapes but not as good as the head ski.
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post #24 of 33
3/4/10 at 10:00am
Whats the problem with the Mantra in the bumps? I have heard this a number of times. Two stiff? Two slow and heavy?
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post #25 of 33
3/4/10 at 12:56pm
Wow I am stupid, I meant to not Two
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post #26 of 33
3/4/10 at 11:18pm
Thread Starter 
TFull,

The Mantras are fantastic skis, the best all-purpose skis I have ever tried.  They will basically do everything the skier instructs it to do, regardless of the snow conditions (except ice) or skiing style.

I have an older, red colored pair which is sightly more flexible than the newer ones.  It is better suited for me given my weight.  I'm often 135 lbs (I like to say 150 lbs so ski shops don't make my binding din settings too weak).  I love their versatility. 

Mantras still ski moguls well, but are not ideal due to the width and stiffness.  An experienced mogul skier will simply adjust his style to accommodate the skis.  If the moguls are icy, the skis will slide into the moguls rather than ski on top of them at high speeds.  The tips can cross periodically for those who ski with their legs closer together.  Also, they turn slower due to the width.

Mantras are shaped like GS skis, so they like wider carved arc turns.
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post #27 of 33
1/28/11 at 10:04pm

I think the current Bloodline is available only as a juniors ski.

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post #28 of 33
1/28/11 at 10:14pm

I'm considering pulling the trigger on a pair of 2011 Dynastar Twisters, Limited Edition for $399.  I'm an experienced big bump skier, and this will be my specialty bump ski for runs like West Face and Chute 75, etc at Squaw, where I spend most of my ski day afternoons.

 

If anyone has a pair, or has skied them, I'd appreciate your comments.  Thanks.

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post #29 of 33
1/29/11 at 11:33am

Not...
 

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Originally Posted by TFull View Post

 to not Two


too.

 

Me correcting grammar.ROTF.gif

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post #30 of 33
1/29/11 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by BigAir View Post


If you are looking to buy a bump ski and not a pro, then I recommend a wider shovel like the Volkl Wall Mogul or Hart F-217 All Mountain...


The F-17 would be good to ski all mountain.  If you are not competing I'd say look closely at the hart F-17.

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