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post #1 of 22
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Sooo....

What y'all think about resort "local" kiddies hatin' on "tourists"?



I've come across this quite a few times on the Intarweb, and even witnessed one particularly egregious instance in real life last year while riding in a shuttle.  It kinda keeps me at just liking Tahoe, but with reservations.
Edited by DtEW - 2/12/10 at 1:21am
post #2 of 22
 I ran into a situation on a Gondie where someone was bitching how crowded it was "midweek"..eff this...eff that.  Turns out they worked at the resort too, being in the industry, I tried to explain that there were customers in that gondie basically paying their salary. I was told basically to STFU. In the end, you never know who is listening and who they know. 
post #3 of 22
I'm not a huge fan of the "us" vs "them" attitude that typically is locals vs tourists.  This attitude gets exacerbated at some of my favorite mtns on big POW days where even bigger egos seem to come out.  That said, I've been a to a few places where I really felt the locals valued the business I was bringing and treated me as a welcomed guests.  One of those mtns. is a bit out of the way and they tend to get more experienced skiers who come as tourists (like me).  I also think its important to obviously act respectfully and not project the obnoxious, arrogant tourist archetype that some folks project on their vacations.  I'm sure this situation has been around since the beginning of time and their are people on both sides of the equation that make worse by acting immaturely.  If a ran a mtn., I would constantly remind people that our customers keep the mtn open and pay the salaries of everyone and would work hard to incentivize customer-service oriented behavior and dis-incentivize the opposite.  I guess  I hope that we are all out there b/c we love making turns in the beauty of the snow-covered mtns....shouldn't we be in our happy place when we're out there?  Call me crazy but that's the way I look at it.
post #4 of 22







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Saw this sign the first chair ride up yesterday. $$$
 

post #5 of 22
I try to be as gracious as possible when I'm a tourist because I've had experience with living 5 years in a beach town. I will get to a point where I don't want to hear the locals bellyaching though-it may have something to do with the day I watched a 25 count string of cars make a U-turn at the end of University Blvd one night during Mardi Gras and each car had a passenger that, in turn, leaned out the window and shot their handgun in the air. Of maybe it was the day my husband informed he he wasn't working Mardi Gras as a paramedic anymore because one of his patients was a cop horse that had gotten stabbed by a party-goer. Or maybe it was seeing party-goers for the yearly Beach Party peeing in someone's yard. Or trying to drive around during the summer when the weekend census is over 250,000 and there are only 50,000 permanent residents. Ski locals have little to nothing to complain about-we come, we pay, and we leave. At the most, we add about a thousand or two to the population.
post #6 of 22
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Saw this sign the first chair ride up yesterday. $$$
 

And our local hotels in Galveston would welcome the Coloradoans. I would mention to most of them that the white sand beaches are south of Corpus Christi.....
Don't diss the Texans' cash. The local Sun and Ski sells $40K weekly of ski equipment to people who'll use it only once of twice. They don't mind the extra business, at all.
post #7 of 22
Most of my employers are from TX.

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And our local hotels in Galveston would welcome the Coloradoans. I would mention to most of them that the white sand beaches are south of Corpus Christi.....
Don't diss the Texans' cash. The local Sun and Ski sells $40K weekly of ski equipment to people who'll use it only once of twice. They don't mind the extra business, at all.

 
post #8 of 22
I suggest not taking it personally or seriously.  Just ignore it.  Complaining about outsiders is as old as the hills, but far less substantial.

I sometimes remind myself that if it weren't for Texans, I might have to actually work for a living.  But man, the way some of them drive...
post #9 of 22
Ever notice that some of the tourists are almost like locals.
For instance, I recall skiing with Bklyn in Summit County a couple times.  She knew more about the resorts in Summit county than most of the locals.
Bumpfreaq is more like a loco, even though he's not a local, ya know?
Wait, did you say loco or local?
post #10 of 22
Skiing should always be done in: our happy place, internallty, and will become the happy place externally if we all work on it (lockn').

In fact, skiing with negative energy is a sure way to get hurt, IMO, and skiers know it, not ever arguing where the skiing is tough.

Skiing is like many sports, greater so than some, in that the level of commitment spans the range, and it creates some strife.

Giving everyone some space, space to relax and enjoy turns, is super important to all of us, Give as much space as you can, use as little space as you need (to have fun).\

(You know fresh snow and space is important when people will pay a thousand dollars a day to have it guaranteed.)
post #11 of 22
First, let's define "local" er um "loco".  I'd say if you actually live within 30 miles of a resort (and have for over a year-full season) that makes you a "local".  I've been in the "tourist" role since high school, as that was the last time I actually lived in a city that had a resort within 30 miles.  I try to be friendly with the staff and everyone else while skiing because when I'm skiing I'm always happy.  From time to time I sense bad vibes from someone how I react depends on whether it is coming from the staff, another tourist, or someone that is acting like a local.
  • Attitude from staff usually leads me to point it out to other staff.
  • Attitude from another tourist leads me to point out the poor manners in front of others or just ignore it if no one else is around.
  • Attitude from a self proclaimed "local" leads me to ski my best and try to blow by them, even buzzing them a bit.. kind of "I can still shred you loser" response.  If they can back up the tude with skiing ability then I'll think more deeply about what they said or did, Was it really me in the wrong/in the JONG?
post #12 of 22
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I suggest not taking it personally or seriously.  Just ignore it.  Complaining about outsiders is as old as the hills, but far less substantial.

I sometimes remind myself that if it weren't for Texans, I might have to actually work for a living.  But man, the way some of them drive...
Tell me about it! I have to drive with them! They all bring out the PU trucks for the ice and snow. I got passed by a few driving north on 35  yesterday and I saw them all later on the side of the road...
post #13 of 22

Seems that a lot of the attitudes come from long time locals that got there maybe last year, more like last month.  
Personal gritch is the new locals that get there and try to make it just like where they came from.  We move to or travel to a resort to see different, embrace it.

We are all tourists if you think about it; the mountains are the only permanent residents, and they will leave someday too.

post #14 of 22
 Most locals are pretty cool. I meet a few ass.holes who are just there for the season ( I remember some Aussie in fernie telling me how Albertans like me are ruining the hill for the locals like him), and a few stuck up tourists think they are locals because they visit the same hill every season.

I like meeting locals, and I am really friendly to visitors at the hill where I do most of my skiing. Actually I think its really cool that somebody who lives thousands of miles from good skiing would spend their vacation days and dollars doing the spot that I love. 

I don't let the jerks bother me though. Why would I care what they think of me?
post #15 of 22
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Seems that a lot of the attitudes come from long time locals that got there maybe last year, more like last month.  
Personal gritch is the new locals that get there and try to make it just like where they came from.  We move to or travel to a resort to see different, embrace it.

We are all tourists if you think about it; the mountains are the only permanent residents, and they will leave someday too.


Sounds like my neighbors that bought a second home near a dairy farm and complain about the smell. What did they expect?
post #16 of 22
By and large it's not tourists in general that drive me nuts, it's LARGE NUMBERS of them.  Like at Christmas and this weekend.  I left today after four runs.  

I'm used to skiing an empty mountain, after all.  So, of course, when it's not empty, I start getting jumpy.  When the extra people are skiing in large packs and zigzagging on cat tracks, standing around and blocking trails I really start to get wound up.  There weren't even lines yet and already there was this milling around stuff going on.  I can't imagine what the next two days will be like and don't plan to find out.

Obviously I am not "mountain ambassador" material.
post #17 of 22
Sib

You are really spoiled.   I have skied almost every weekend at Big Mountain this year including Christmas.   I lived in Tahoe for a while and BIg Mountain never comes anywhere close to what it is like there on a normal weekend let alone the holidays.   We have it very good here.  You might need to start skiing Turner Mtn if you are looking for fewer people.  
post #18 of 22
I skied Camelback in the Poconos for 27 years.  10-12,000 people on 125 acres.  I've paid my dues.  Now, I don't need to.  That's the point of being retired. 

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Sib

You are really spoiled.   I have skied almost every weekend at Big Mountain this year including Christmas.   I lived in Tahoe for a while and BIg Mountain never comes anywhere close to what it is like there on a normal weekend let alone the holidays.   We have it very good here.  You might need to start skiing Turner Mtn if you are looking for fewer people.  
post #19 of 22
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Ever notice that some of the tourists are almost like locals.
For instance, I recall skiing with Bklyn in Summit County a couple times.  She knew more about the resorts in Summit county than most of the locals.
Bumpfreaq is more like a loco, even though he's not a local, ya know?
Wait, did you say loco or local?
 

bklyn and bumpfreaq dont fall into this at all, both of them have more than a clue. some people posting in this thread dont....


I dont mind tourist in fact I love talking to them, I only mind stupid people, especailly stupid people who put other people in danger.
post #20 of 22
I'm a local and I thank all the people who come up to our place and hope they always enjoy it.There would be no economy in Vermont if not for tourists who visit any season, especially winter. I have been a tourist to other mountains and for the most part I have found most staff have been very friendly.We have had some people who don't seem too friendly working for us  but in short time they are out of the publics eye and then out of a job. There will always be people who bitch about things but the nice thing about skiing is just point them downhill and leave them.
post #21 of 22
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By and large it's not tourists in general that drive me nuts, it's LARGE NUMBERS of them.  Like at Christmas and this weekend.  I left today after four runs.  

I'm used to skiing an empty mountain, after all.  So, of course, when it's not empty, I start getting jumpy.  When the extra people are skiing in large packs and zigzagging on cat tracks, standing around and blocking trails I really start to get wound up.  There weren't even lines yet and already there was this milling around stuff going on.  I can't imagine what the next two days will be like and don't plan to find out.

Obviously I am not "mountain ambassador" material.

As a long time Tahoe "local" I have come to the point that I accept tourists as a way of life. Many of my friends and the community in general rely on their money to live. My attitude over the years has switched from hating on them, to now ignoring them. I schedule my life to not be around when the mountain gets packed, I get it the rest of the year. I schedule my trips to town to avoid them and I ski in the back country or take out the sled on weekends like this one or christmas week. I actually take pity on them.  The only time most of them, get to be in the mountains is a few weekends a year and maybe a vacation week or two. I have a hard time wrapping my mind around that. 

The only time I tend to lose it on them, is when they speed through my neighborhood, which I consider to be beyond rude, they won't speed through their neighborhood with kids and dogs around, don't do it my neighborhood.  However being a local, I know the Highway Patrol guys by name and they love writing tickets to people that get smart with them.

Living in a tourist town has made me hyper sensitive when I'm in places like Hawaii, I'm always really cool to the locals and it usually plays out in my favor, by getting tips on the best places to eat and hidden beaches...etc. 
post #22 of 22
Like I said, it's not tourists per se, it's the large quantity during holiday periods.  Last week, I'd talk to anyone, Michigan, Kansas, Minnesota, wherever, I'd help you out.  Just don't ski in packs of 20, please.
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