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Good All Mtn Free Ride Ski??

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
As the title says, im searching for a good solid all mtn twin. Somewhere around 180cm length and around 90 underfoot. Anyone ride any superb skis in that criteria? Anyone know of any ski that stands out as just a dominant all mtn freeride?
Thanks
-Kyle
post #2 of 20
 Line Prophet 90 or K2 Extreme/Public Enemy are the two that come to my mind first. 
post #3 of 20
check out armada arv 175 or 185 depending on your needs. cant go wrong there. they are 95 underfoot with a 21.5m meter turning radius. nice playful, snappy feel. they arent very stiff however, so if you are looking for a stiffer ski to charge on, i suggest maybe looking into maybe line prophet 90. 90 underfoot exactly with a metal radius running the length of the ski.
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 
Yea, ive looked at the Extreme's, heard they have a really soft top sheet (as in it chips/scratches easily). Have you skied the extremes? Im a pretty tall and lanky guy so am not looking for something heavy.
post #5 of 20
Liked my K2 Public Enemy.

Really liking my Dynastar Big Trouble, available this year renamed as the Dynastar Sixth Sense Big.
post #6 of 20
Where are you skiing and what do you want to do with them?

I am now skiing on the Dynastar 6th Sense Distorter in a 180 and think they are pretty sweet. Skied the new Extreme to start the season and had with me in Winter Park. I was not a big fan as its not like the old PE. I found the tail as well as the overall ski to be a bit softer. I like some kick which the Dynastar has with the "switchblade" technology they use. You can also look at the Volkl Bridge for an all mountain twin. It has more sidecut than the Dynastar if you want more of a twin that will carve. It's definitely beefier than the Dynastar and I found that I like the Mantra better.
post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by SoulSkiier27 View Post

Yea, ive looked at the Extreme's, heard they have a really soft top sheet (as in it chips/scratches easily). Have you skied the extremes? Im a pretty tall and lanky guy so am not looking for something heavy.
 

Yeah, I am currently skiing on the Extremes, and they cartainly do have the topsheet issue. So far, it has only been a cosmetic issue, nothing too serious. Other than that, I have absolutely loved the ski. I am tall and lanky as well, and I've never found the weight a problem.
post #8 of 20
I have skied all the twins mentioned in this thread so far. The best for all mountain use are the Bridge, Big Trouble and the Prophet 90. The various iterations of the Extreme/PE are good skis for the price but are not in the same league as the other three.


SJ
post #9 of 20
got to throw the Icelantic Pilgrim into this. the 179 would be perfect. 
post #10 of 20
SJ, I have a chance to acquire the 6th Sense Huge in a 175, for my powder designated ski, widest in my quiver by 15mm. What do you think? Does Dynastar soften the flex for the 175 vs 185? Do they measure 175 as the entire length, including tail tip? Is it a full twin tip?  Is it the same ski as the Huge Trouble last year? thanks, Jim, I am so stoked about this ski and I know you guys have it at the shop.

On the Icelantic, I saw one on the chair the other day. The tip was at least as thick as the mid-fore section of my LP's. What's up with that? tip must be 3 times as thick as mine, and the thickness taper from the waist to the tip was wierd as a result. This model was around 100 waist. Do they do that on purpose for some performance quality, or by default because they can't make it durable in a thin profile.
post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

I have skied all the twins mentioned in this thread so far. The best for all mountain use are the Bridge, Big Trouble and the Prophet 90. The various iterations of the Extreme/PE are good skis for the price but are not in the same league as the other three.


SJ
 
Thanks for your advice SJ, I am looking at the prophets as well. Will have to check out the other skis. What did you find about the extrmes that set them apart from the other 3?



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Originally Posted by DtEW View Post

Liked my K2 Public Enemy.

Really liking my Dynastar Big Trouble, available this year renamed as the Dynastar Sixth Sense Big.
 
Ok cool, thatnks for your input, i appreciate it :)



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Originally Posted by NESkiBum View Post

Where are you skiing and what do you want to do with them?

I am now skiing on the Dynastar 6th Sense Distorter in a 180 and think they are pretty sweet. Skied the new Extreme to start the season and had with me in Winter Park. I was not a big fan as its not like the old PE. I found the tail as well as the overall ski to be a bit softer. I like some kick which the Dynastar has with the "switchblade" technology they use. You can also look at the Volkl Bridge for an all mountain twin. It has more sidecut than the Dynastar if you want more of a twin that will carve. It's definitely beefier than the Dynastar and I found that I like the Mantra better.
I ski teh west coast(Tahoe). I am a mid lever rider currently riding some old crappy skis and am looking for a good all mountain that can grow with me. Something with 85-90's in the waist, twin tip. I love skiing the moguls and tres so i would need something light that i can really throw around with ease. Am starting to get into park a little bit as well. I hope that helps.


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Originally Posted by Euripides33 View Post




Yeah, I am currently skiing on the Extremes, and they cartainly do have the topsheet issue. So far, it has only been a cosmetic issue, nothing too serious. Other than that, I have absolutely loved the ski. I am tall and lanky as well, and I've never found the weight a problem.
 
Ok great, thanks for you input.


So far i am leaning towards the extremes as i am on a somewhat low budget, the prophets look really nice but seem a bit heavy. Will check out all other skis mentioned as i am always open to new advice.
Thanks for all teh help guys.
-Kyle
post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 
Also is there any noteable difference betwen the 2009 and 2010 K2 Extremes? Or are they the same ski just different graphics?
Thanks
post #13 of 20
No difference - they both suck .

Another vote for the Line Prophet 90 (or maybe even 100).
post #14 of 20
A vote for the Volkl Bridge. This ski rocks in all conditions and carves extremely well.especially with a 92 waist.I ski it in the East and love it, I can only imagine getting to ski it in softer snow on an every day basis!!
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

SJ, I have a chance to acquire the 6th Sense Huge in a 175, for my powder designated ski, widest in my quiver by 15mm. What do you think? Does Dynastar soften the flex for the 175 vs 185? Do they measure 175 as the entire length, including tail tip? Is it a full twin tip?  Is it the same ski as the Huge Trouble last year? thanks, Jim, I am so stoked about this ski and I know you guys have it at the shop.

On the Icelantic, I saw one on the chair the other day. The tip was at least as thick as the mid-fore section of my LP's. What's up with that? tip must be 3 times as thick as mine, and the thickness taper from the waist to the tip was wierd as a result. This model was around 100 waist. Do they do that on purpose for some performance quality, or by default because they can't make it durable in a thin profile.


not sure which model but my guess is it was a Nomad, published dims are not actual as they measure from the tops and not from bases, but its 146-111-136, it has a fair amount of SC but is very stable with great float and verstility.  the Pilgrim is 127-90-118 ( or 115?) this is a great all mountain ski as well. 
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

SJ, I have a chance to acquire the 6th Sense Huge in a 175, for my powder designated ski, widest in my quiver by 15mm. What do you think? Does Dynastar soften the flex for the 175 vs 185? Do they measure 175 as the entire length, including tail tip? Is it a full twin tip?  Is it the same ski as the Huge Trouble last year? thanks, Jim, I am so stoked about this ski and I know you guys have it at the shop.

 

While the HT/6th sense Huge are not great light powder floaters in the sense of an S7 for example, it is a superior Tahoe Powder ski. The flex balance is firmer in the tip than the tail and this allows the tip to blast our typical powder conditions extremely well. The 175 feels somewhat softer than the 185 but it's not girly soft by any means. I like my S7 but if I could only keep either the HT or the S7 it would be the HT.

J
post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 
haha, so it seems the extremes are either a love it or hate it type deal. Ok

What do you guys think of the Rossignol S3 pommier skis in 180cm?
Not that cm really matter but i like to give out as much info as posible :)
Any thoughts on those skis?
post #18 of 20

I will add my observations on the Big Trouble.  I bought some 186's last fall,  but just put in my second day on 'em at Copper Mtn. yesterday on a nice (not epic, but nice) powder day.

These work very nice on typical Colorado resort steeps:  soft chopped snow, moderate bumps.  I didn't like them in harder, more rutted bumps,  but then.... I don't enjoy skiing terrrain like that regardless.  The longish turning radius of the ski works well in the softer snow conditions where you don't need to be able to make ultra quick changes of direction.  I found them very consistent and predictable which becomes confidence inspiring.

I mounted mine back near the "standard" line,  and I did not experience the tip diving that some posters have mentioned.  I was not consistently in deep snow,  but I specifically sought out some deep untracked in the bowls.  I could see how,  if I let my weight get too far forward,  I might have induced tip dive,  but having spent most of my life on skinnier skis,  I found these to work great.

On groomers with occasional "colorado icy" spots,  I found them passable,  though they're certainly no ice carver.  When I would edge it hard to scrub speed quickly,  the tips and tails would flex hard,  then release repeatedly.  It was not an unnerving thing,  just the reality of a ski relatively stiffer under foot than in the tip and tail.

If I was the type who spent more time on groomers (to me they're only transportation to more fun terrain),  I'd probably opt for something with a shorter turning radius.  In chopped up powder, bumps, steeps,  I found them to be quite competent - which is what I was hoping for.

Some have called them heavy?  I can't say that I noticed that in any way.  I didn't notice any excessive swing weight when needing to whip them around quickly on the steeps.

I really like the fact that I have never had the tails hang up on me.  Perhaps it's a flaw in my technique,  but some skis will occasionally scare the cr@p out of me when the tail won't release for me to whip the skis around quickly.  So far,  the BT's have been excellent in consistently releasing.  That said,  with these being my first twins,  I seem to cross my tails when I'm just stopped/in lift lines/etc.  I finally fell yesterday while resting part way down a steep bump run (must get in better shape!) from accidentally crossing my tails slightly. 

I'm a pretty big guy (6'2", 215),  and I found these to be beefy enough - perhaps a significantly lighter,  or less aggressive skier might not enjoy them quite as much.

Overall,  I think I've got another Dynastar winner.

AM.

post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post




While the HT/6th sense Huge are not great light powder floaters in the sense of an S7 for example, it is a superior Tahoe Powder ski. The flex balance is firmer in the tip than the tail and this allows the tip to blast our typical powder conditions extremely well. The 175 feels somewhat softer than the 185 but it's not girly soft by any means. I like my S7 but if I could only keep either the HT or the S7 it would be the HT.

J


 
heah heah heah--watch your language!  You mean "not soft like a boy"??
post #20 of 20
Another vote for the Bridge.  Way underrated by some.......
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