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post #61 of 82
Well, it's mostly diet. I was at a place in Atalnta once that served traditional southern cooking. They had the most greasy and fatty foods I had ever come accross. Everything is fried in something. They even had some kind of fried dish that was lumps of lard fried in lard.  

Anyways, back to the Oympics. I always find it odd that McDonalds was an offical sponsor of the Olympics. Like the atheltes really eat that stuff.  
post #62 of 82
 Olympic coverage is driven by the wishes of the executive producer(s) of various shows ( ie: primetime, am etc.). These producers usually know little about individual events and the athletes excepting those which have emerged over the months leading up to the Olympics as musts for coverage. What they are looking for are stories the general viewer can/will relate to or which the producer personally finds interesting Most network pieces/profiles etc are shot, written and cut for the on air  talent with varying input from the  talent. Given that the talent usually knows little about the subject guarentees that their on air ins and outs ( the intro and tag to the tape piece) will be vapid and somehow get related to their own reference point which is often some other sport( ie: a ball sport) they are conversant with rather than the Oly sport being shown...hence the obnoxious, naive at best, nasty side comments. BTW, the coverage you desire is available but only in the International Broadcast Center on site where live feeds from every event are shown...in fact some reporters just watch the feeds to file stories rather than go to the venues.
   It always drives me nuts when the "....came from nowwhere..." comment is used to characterise athletes who've worked their butt off for years. So, as an former racer, when I covered the Lillihammer games I got permission to do a piece on the Squaw Valley mitey-mites and J4 and  J3 program to show where they did come from. Incidentally one of the athletes we shot who was in the squaw program at the time was a v young Marco Sullivan who the coaches id'd as a kid who had lots of promise 'cause of the way he was constantly looking for the fall line in GS. Anyway, the The piece aired and the feedback was , who cares!  On the other hand, i made what I was sure was a complete fool of myself when I was told to cover live the finish of one of the key x-c races because i happened to be there doing something else...the result was me commenting on something I knew nothing about, but was saved by the enthusiasm of the crowd which I made the focus. My producer loved it!   Go figure.  Also BTW, those games were just awesome from a personal perspective.I ran gates (badly) with the Italians, slipped the mens SG with Billy Kidd - a personal hero when I was a yound skier. and as  on air talent I had an all access/all event credential and watched everything from Luge to Biathalon. In person, these events( and all the rest) are astonishing, inspiring and just plain amazing to watch live and if there was a way to convey  that experience on air maybe that could help amp up the coverage and make it more fun for al viewers. On the other hand figure skating soap opera ( this was the year of the Harding-Kerrigan controversy) and all the BS surrounding the event was boring beyond belief to me Though audience research showed the viewers loved it.
post #63 of 82
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no, Jahroy, say it ain't so.
 

i just meant i've gained a few pounds since i got here.... i'll be back at squaw ASAP.
post #64 of 82
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A reporter does not have to be an expert to cover a sport, it is reasonable to to expect them to do a little homework on what they are covering.  Perfection is not required but please don't spread totally bogus stuff just to fill time.  (The sled track, considered by some the fastest in the world, had racers hitting mid 90s')

The interviews and profiles are a great way for a network to keep a flow going in delays or flat spots.  They can insert a little human interest into sports that may be uninteresting to the casual viewer who really does not care.    
 


I forgot the most important thing about Olympics: celebrity worshipping! The athlets are there to get not medals but endorsement contracts! And the "interview" are just first round advertisements!

I'm pissed. I just had the good luck to catch a few minutes of mogul coverage, squeezed in between the break in figure skating. And they spend a good chunk of that time to mention one of the US entry also plays a mean game of baseball! Even wasting time showing him pitch!

So if your average TV viewers can't figure out this little segment of boys & girls bouncing down a short stretch of bumps is about, at least you'll learn a little celeb trivial that he can pitch a baseball!!! 
post #65 of 82
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i just meant i've gained a few pounds since i got here.... i'll be back at squaw ASAP.





 


I was just crackin' up, like we care if we have cut abs. skiers are in one sport where a few pounds is not a problem, as in gravity sport.

and yeah, get back, get back (to the John Lennon tune) get back to where you once belong....
post #66 of 82
migdriver, awesome analysis. thanks for putting time and thought into it.

sooo, do you fly Migs, or did you? Fighter jocks seem to really enjoy buzzing Squaw  and giving us a wing dip salute on Palisades.
post #67 of 82
 Let's just say I've done a variety  of lines on the Palisades!  Now  I'm just speculating here...but if I had found myself a few years ago in the vicinity of Squaw in say a MiG 15, 17 or even the 21   which would let me stroke burner for added effect , I'd probably approach from behind Siberia and clear the ridge btwn Siberia chair and the FAA tunnel at , oh I don't know, 500 ft agl and maybe around 400kts and then follow the contour of the hill down with Headwall off the right wing and then pull off left before crossing mtn run/mogul hill.....one pass -haul ass!  Just thinking how I might do it cause it wouldn't be legal of course!
post #68 of 82
that would hypothetically be incredible to have witnessed before.... very nice.
post #69 of 82
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 Let's just say I've done a variety  of lines on the Palisades!  Now  I'm just speculating here...but if I had found myself a few years ago in the vicinity of Squaw in say a MiG 15, 17 or even the 21   which would let me stroke burner for added effect , I'd probably approach from behind Siberia and clear the ridge btwn Siberia chair and the FAA tunnel at , oh I don't know, 500 ft agl and maybe around 400kts and then follow the contour of the hill down with Headwall off the right wing and then pull off left before crossing mtn run/mogul hill.....one pass -haul ass!  Just thinking how I might do it cause it wouldn't be legal of course!

I've seen this kind of flying from our military based at Whidbey Island as they fly over the area around Stevens Pass ski area.  This is only cool if you know they're coming.  When one of those guys pops over the top of the ridge you have no warning.  

Once I was on top of 7th Heaven (the top of the mountain) when some jet jockey just about scraped his belly on the top of the peak.  We could hear nothing until he was within a couple hundred feet of us because he approached from the other side of the ridge and the mountain blocked the sound.  The sudden ear shattering roar made every last skier on the hill fall.  It looked like we had all been gunned down.  This mountain also has cornices hanging over the main run.  None of them broke loose, but that could happen some day.

Yes, these guys need to practice, but doing it right on top of a ski area when people are on the slopes is just plain mean and or stupid as well as dangerous.  This behavior takes place over the designated Federal Wilderness areas on either side of the pass too.  It's a big pain.
post #70 of 82
^^ i'm assuming that's a troll.
post #71 of 82
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^^ i'm assuming that's a troll.
 
Well, it's the truth.  It really happened and continues to happen.  It is a problem and a concern.  I didn't mention that lots of civilian air traffic goes right over the pass following US 2.  These military jets also scream down some of the canyons on either side of the highway at levels barely above the tree tops.  When they intersect the main valley they are flying into areas where small aircraft will often be.  It amazes me that there have not been crashes.  I have a place up one of the river valleys and have seen these guys (and heard them even more often) coming by.  I saw/heard them (they are on top of you so fast that you often don't have time to look) three times last summer alone, and I'm not there all that often.

These pilots need to train, no doubt.  They're jet jockeys and need to be challenged, but our state has lots of terrain that is more appropriate than the air space above a major state highway and a large ski area.

It obviously upsets me, and my original post was in reaction to the boast about flying close over a ski area.  If that's a troll, so be it.
post #72 of 82
Agree that the coverage is awful this year. I can't believe how badly NBC is mis-using its OTA digital subchannel Universal Sports. Prior to the Olympics the World Cup coverage was excellent I thought they'd keep it up during the Olympics. Not just skiing of course, but they'd use it for all-events all-the-time. Instead it's yammering.

also outraged that the live streaming is gated by ISP. This is why we need Net Neutrality. I've got TWC in NC and Comcast in CO where I'll be the next few weeks. I haven't checked if TWC has it yet Of course Comcast will have it given the NBC buyout (though that's not yet closed so they don't actually own NBC yet). But I've also got T-Mobile UMTS broadband USB stick for travel & contingency net access, and work provides me with a Sprint EV-DO broadband card for their machine. I'm going to try each to see if the streams are available to T-Mo and Sprint.
post #73 of 82
I was so disappointed to not be able to watch any Mens Downhill yesterday.

incredible.. figure skating, and some snowboarding.. no skiing.

...and please, sorry to be insensitive here, but lots of people have handicapped relatives.. what's with this Canadian mogul skier trotting out his MS brother for the world to feel bad for? Is that really necessary?
post #74 of 82
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I see. Well, if you have such a high level of sophistication when it comes to following and appreciating the sports outside of football, baseball, basketball, or hockey, then you can easily answer the following question without cheating:

No googling.

Name one member of the Canadian Ski Jumping Team

Name one Canadian Luger,or Bobsledder.

How many members are there on the Canadian Alpine Ski team?

Who was the last Canadian to win an Olympic winter gold medal in Alpine skiing? What was the event?

Who won the downhill and GS in the last Olympics?

I can answer four of these questions and don't even follow the sports that much.

If you are so sophisticated, and in posession of extensive knowledge, these questions should be a piece of cake.


 


There is no need to get snotty.  We have established already that people here are of a different sort than the typical viewer that NBC is trying to attract. 

I, too, am dissapointed by the coverage, but as mentioned above, we are the weird ones that want to watch every althete do his or her thing.  Most people would get bored and change the channel. 
post #75 of 82
OMG,now i'm really pissed. what did we see. 6 downhill racers. some armericans, the contenders, a canadian. don't get me started on the f'ing hours of luge and figure skating, Polar Bears (dion't get me wrong), up close and personal BS, WTF, sh%*$#TTTTTTT ! . they call it the signiture event and then f'ing barely cover it. remove commercials and we had about 15 minutes of coverage. They can do a whole run in 2 minutes. I watch one run and then bib #8, Bode, and I'm like:  un-f-ing believable, they're doing highlights!. I was all set to really get into it, beer, snacks and by the time my butt was centered in the lazy boy, the thing was over. 

This goes way beyond any rational explanation^^^^^^^^prior posts., This means war on the whole system turn on, tune in, drop out!
post #76 of 82
absolutely atrocious. 

i was dumb enough to try to watch last night... i usually don't even bother, but when i walked in the door i saw a downhill run so i sat down.  before i could blink it was over and they were playing a segment on polar bears.

the three runs i saw were incredibly exciting.

NBC you are pathetic.

i have not met one person with a single good word to say about olympics coverage this year.
post #77 of 82
Thank goodness for DVRs. You can watch 4 hours of Olympics in 1 hour and do something else with the other three. Commercials alone take over an hour.

You can see live streams at CTV.

Edit: It just occurred to me that the NBC Pseudo coverage of the Olympics is similar to watching a Super Bowl where the half time show lasted 3 1/2 hours (including commercials), which was after 4 hours of pre-game hype with 12 talking heads, followed by 3 hours of post game analysis by another 12 talking heads.....and the game lasted 30 minutes.


I love this quote from TGR, where NBC is getting ragged about as well in a few threads:

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Figure skating would be cool if the spectators had paintball guns. 

Edited by Alpinord - 2/16/10 at 10:35am
post #78 of 82
I thought that what they showed of the moguls skiing was good. Coverage was better for the women though.The side camera that moves on the cable/rail to follow the skiers worked really well. You got a sense of how fast they were moving from the background. Mosely is a very good commentator.
It's just too much editing out of people who are competing. Not as bad as the downhill coverage, but you're no longer watching a competition, it's just watching a few top people and those who crash.
post #79 of 82
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post #80 of 82

Here's two additional bits of perspective on NBC's crappy coverage of Vancouver 2010:

"NBC's Olympic ratings not exactly golden" (USA Today)


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NBC's Vancouver primetime coverage, through 11 nights of a mother lode of U.S. medals, is averaging 14.3 —down 13% from Nagano.

NBC also drew boffo primetime ratings for its home-snow 2002Salt Lake Winter Games— Vancouver's primetime ratings so far are down 21% from 2002 — but then produced lowest-rated Games since 1988 from Torino in 2006.

Meaning that ratings for NBC's primetime — its all-consuming Olympic priority — don't prove that its formula shouldn't be carved on stone tablets and venerated by whichever network win the 2014 Winter Games in Sochi, Russia.

NBC, understandably, has tried to frame historical comparisons to its current Vancouver ratings by stressing the total viewers it's drawing, which is handy given that U.S. population is always expanding. Vancouver's viewer totals so far, as an NBC Tuesday release headlined them, are the best for any non-U.S. Winter Olympics "SINCE TABLOID-FUELED LILLEHAMMER GAMES" in 1994.

Which is a bit like suggesting John McCain's 2008 presidential candidacy was more successful than Ronald Reagan's 49-state re-election in 1984 because McCain got more votes.

Given NBC's ratings, future Olympic TV should be at least be open to discussion rather than just being a slave to recent tradition.

 


The second is from the perspective of current USST athlete Keely Kelleher:

"2010 Olympics: phenomenal results and less than mediocre coverage" (New West Snowblog)


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Media attention has been swirling around Lindsey and Julia and their so-called “feud.” Skiing on the team with both of these girls for many years I have never once witnessed ill will between them. Both girls are incredible competitors and have always shown sportsmanship towards each other.  During the Giant Slalom race NBC showed more coverage of Lindsey falling and Julia getting flagged then of the actual Olympic event. Sarah Schleper, the top American GS skier this year and in possibly her last Olympic games got no air - time. Neither did many of the U.S. athletes racing in the Games.

There are only four skiers in each event from the U.S. It doesn’t take an enormous amount of effort on NBC’s behalf to show the athletes that are representing our country. Last time I checked the Olympics was about the athletes competing not the media creating drama. Julia quoted on her Twitter page during the media buzz about the supposed “feud” between her and Lindsey, “save the drama for your mama.”

It’s about the sport and the astounding athletic feats people are achieving. I am not the only one who feels this way. A Facebook group was created during the Games called “Why does NBC hate ski racing? The worst coverage of the Olympic Games…period.” There are currently 5,976 members.


post #81 of 82
BUT we sure got to see enough Curling.......why was that anyway? 
post #82 of 82
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BUT we sure got to see enough Curling.......why was that anyway? 
 
Curling is exciting (yawn)
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