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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
The core of the Atomic Nomad Blackeye is something called "Densolite".  What is this?  How does it compare to a wood core?  Thanks.
post #2 of 13
 It's foam.  Works fine in many skis, and some even create a composite of it with alternating wood strips.  But many foam skis have earned a bad reputation over the years for playing out too quickly.  

I tend to like wood skis myself, but have one pair of Atomics with the Densolite core, and have no complaints.
post #3 of 13
What it is not is injected foam. Densolite is a foam rubber that is machined to a specific profile and then laid into the ski. Atomics typically are pretty long lived skis.
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys.  The Blackeye is on my demo shortlist.
post #5 of 13
Densolite is a fancy way of saying foam.  Manufactuers do the same thing with plastic -- they call it Polycarbonate to make the buyer think the product is made of some special space-age material.

Not that foam or plastic are neccesarily inferior for some purposes, but both terms can have bad connotations with a consumer.
post #6 of 13
I have to acknowlege that my bias that foam cores were not as durable as wood cores has not played out that way in real life on the hill. comparing: Volkl Explosiv, wood core, stiff ski. 200 ish days and they are flat camber.  Rossignol B-Squad, foam core (in shorter lengths), stiff ski, 250 ish days plus, still has original amount of camber. Legend Pro Rider, now my daily ski, blended foam and wood core, brand new now, so we'll see. Love the feel of a new ski for the moment.
post #7 of 13
I currently ski Atomic 10EXs, R:EXs and M:EXs, all with Densolite cores.  I am 215 lbs and have skied the sh*t out of all of them, including tons of bumps.  I think they hold up as well as most wood core skis, and the flex ages slowly and evenly.  Densolite should not be compared with "foam" used in many other brands of skis in the past, which resulted in disposable skis whose performance started to deteriorate almost immediately.
post #8 of 13
Densolite is probably one of the best of the available man-made core materials (Stockli's ISOCORE is right up there too).  I just prefer the feel of a wood laminate which tends to be damper and snappier in my experience.
post #9 of 13
 wood(or bamboo or any fiberous materail) laminate skis are the only skis worth looking at.

The atomics have a very hollow fell on snow, the cores will break down faster than wood, and you dont have edge feel like you do a sandwich ski and they also break edge faster than any other ski you could buy. 

I have killed a couple pairs of cap atomics over the years and am extremely biased against their cap ski. I am not particularly heavy either. the B5 I had were noodles in 150 days, where as other skis I have owned have last much longer than that. K2 pe for instance, Volkl gotama and so far so good on a pair of SS mags as well.
post #10 of 13

yeah i think i'm going to stick with a wood core.

 

i'm leaning towards the helix right now. if bamboo is a quality material like i've heard i like the idea of the stealth rocker with camber underfoot vs the flat underfoot of the gotama

post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

(Stockli's ISOCORE is right up there too). 

 

 

Do any of the Stormrider TTs have ISOCORE?

post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

 

 

Do any of the Stormrider TTs have ISOCORE?



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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

(Stockli's ISOCORE is right up there too).

I think, but am not positive, the olders ones were synthetic (I still have a pair in storage). The new ones are mostly wood & titinal (http://mag3.i-magazine.de/imag/STOeCKLI_PARTNERS_WINTER_2011_12_E/#/10) .  I have had a pair of the synthetic core Spirit Pro II's forever.  I keep wanting to use them for rock skis but they look too perfect.  They are short and still great for teaching the kids or ripping turns on hardpack with the occasional friend who only skis groomers.  Synthetic, yes.  Too flimsy?  Not with titinal layered in there. Worn out?  Not even close.  The majors have proven that they can build a really good long-lasting synthetic core for recreational skis. In fact, the older version of the Laser SC used a synthetic core (the SL, GS, etc. always used wood).  Perhaps it is the combination of a synthetic core and titinal that works so well for Stockli.  Titinal (mostly aluminum) isn't cheap, but it seems to make a difference.


Edited by quant2325 - 10/18/11 at 11:32am
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by nasmit View Post

yeah i think i'm going to stick with a wood core.

 

i'm leaning towards the helix right now. if bamboo is a quality material like i've heard i like the idea of the stealth rocker with camber underfoot vs the flat underfoot of the gotama


Liberty does not use a full bamboo core. It's even more amusing that they claim to be the only ones using bamboo.

 

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