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Poll Results: Are Ski Instructors/Coaches Arrogant?

Poll expired: Mar 10, 2010  
  • 47% (18)
    No.
  • 21% (8)
    Yes, but not anymore than instructors or coaches who work with the public in in the ranks of other sports and activities.
  • 13% (5)
    Definately. Many Ski Instructors have a certain cockiness and self-assuredness that is not found in other sporting venues.
  • 18% (7)
    It depends on their age. The youngers ones, definately. The older and more seasoned, no.
38 Total Votes  
post #61 of 69
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Anyone want to asmit to a bit of envy and jealousy towards those that are able to spend  + ours a week on the mountian getting paid to hone the art of skiing?  Even teaching novices improves an instructors skiing.  Every minute doing it makes you better when you focus on the right things.  So we project some of that air of arrogance on them to some degree out of jealousy that we can't live the life as much as they do .. It least I believe I might..
 

I'm not sure your (implied) envy applies to everybody.

The instructors I met in the real world are usually pretty cheerful. But reading page after page of instructors complaining about their poor pay and terrible work condition here on Epic, whatever envy I might have had disappeared after day 3 of joining the forum! 

Then, reading the same instructors boasting how great they are because they get to be on snow (though not neccessary actually skiing), it can't help but to sound hypocritical. That could come across as arrogance.

Personally, I haven't met any instructors in the real world that's "arrogant" in the true sense. But I did meet a few who are obssessed with instructing everyone and everywhere. That definitely come across as arrogance to many of their impromtus "student".

I just think the ski instructing appeals to certain type of personality, the same way for professional teachers. They tend to be the most helpful people one can find. But there's no denying there're plenty of times that un-solicited "help" comes at the wrong time or wrong audiance, so it appears bossy and arrogance. I've observed the same in professional teachers.
post #62 of 69
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

You have misrepresented me.  I am not an owner, and have no intentions of becoming an owner of EpicSki.
If you think this site is here to be your personal complaint form, then you need to think again.
The very reason that you have met so many Bears is because it is about community.  That is first and foremost.
The information building of this site is a great asset and a resource that is only built because of the great community that it is which has drawn on some amazing sources of information and skill.
Treating this forum community as  a personal complaint forum shows a tremendous amount of disrespect as a whole and does not help in the over all experience for others.

 

Nope, it's not a personal complain forum. Just entertaining forum, which can take the form of complains AND laughes! 

Sorry I've misunderstood your position in the site.
post #63 of 69
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Originally Posted by at_nyc View Post




Not everyone sees thing the way you do either.

As a owner, it's natural you would like to see Epic as a place for ONLY information (and community building). But it's a public place whether you want to admit it or not.

I've met enough of the real world faces behind the posts. As nice as the real people are, the forum itself is not at all a reflection of the real "community". As for the "information", there're plenty of good ones and plenty of un-informed ones as well. Not that different from most other community boards out there.

So, I think you maybe the one missing the point that the website itself is 95% entertainment with only 5% "information and community building".

Some people choose to view things with a pessimistic view point and those would see forums as "complaint" focused because that's what their brain processes.  Others see things in a more optimistic way and they see the positive, community and information posts.  It's safe to say that the reality is somewhere in the middle. 

My choice in life is to hang out with people and in forums where I find a positive community and information vibe and EpicSki is one of those for the most part.  Sure, there are threads that get out of control and I ignore those.  Unless of course I'm feeling feisty then it's great place to channel that energy. :p

As for instructors and coaches having an ego.  I've skied with some fantastic instructors and coaches including  US Ski Team Development team coaches.  Some have huge egos but most are wonderful people with information and tips that I wish I could get more of.  Of course, being a coach myself maybe I have somewhat a different view point. 
post #64 of 69

Real Arrogance is really reserved for LA SWAT guys not instructors.  Have known a few (briefly) and know a lot more really cool top level instructors that I would be very happy to ski with anytime. How many top level instructors can you think of that you have skied with and would do again in a minute if the opportunity presented itself?

Squatty, Bob Barnes, Nolo, Weems, Roberto Taddeo, Robin, Ted Sorensen, Wade Holiday, Ernie Silva    (probably forgot some too)

List of top level instructors wouldn't ski with:    Can think of two - names not necessary - think they were LA SWAT

post #65 of 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post




You have misrepresented me.  I am not an owner, and have no intentions of becoming an owner of EpicSki.
If you think this site is here to be your personal complaint form, then you need to think again.
The very reason that you have met so many Bears is because it is about community.  That is first and foremost.
The information building of this site is a great asset and a resource that is only built because of the great community that it is which has drawn on some amazing sources of information and skill.
Treating this forum community as  a personal complaint forum shows a tremendous amount of disrespect as a whole and does not help in the over all experience for others.
 

I couldn't agree more. Thanks TC for stating what is obvious to so many of us.
post #66 of 69
 TC could of swore you asked for help and if I remember I stopped when you asked.....

sorry if thats not case.

Josh
post #67 of 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by at_nyc View Post




I'm not sure your (implied) envy applies to everybody.

The instructors I met in the real world are usually pretty cheerful. But reading page after page of instructors complaining about their poor pay and terrible work condition here on Epic, whatever envy I might have had disappeared after day 3 of joining the forum! 

Then, reading the same instructors boasting how great they are because they get to be on snow (though not neccessary actually skiing), it can't help but to sound hypocritical. That could come across as arrogance.

Personally, I haven't met any instructors in the real world that's "arrogant" in the true sense. But I did meet a few who are obssessed with instructing everyone and everywhere. That definitely come across as arrogance to many of their impromtus "student".

I just think the ski instructing appeals to certain type of personality, the same way for professional teachers. They tend to be the most helpful people one can find. But there's no denying there're plenty of times that un-solicited "help" comes at the wrong time or wrong audiance, so it appears bossy and arrogance. I've observed the same in professional teachers.

Good and Professional Instructors charge $$ for advice and/or lessons, unless of course, maybe you are talking about a wannabe.
I consider it a privilege of knowing several professionals where I can get a little free advice and help, but I always have to ask for it.
post #68 of 69
This thread was doomed to conflicts from post one.  We should te talking about skiing, not studying psychology here
post #69 of 69
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

 Flawed poll.

There should be a choice for "it's just a bunch of individual people, all are different."

Generalizations like this are useless.  Are all politicians evil?  Are all musicians potheads?


 
YES    YES  and I guess YES!!
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