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Depreciation of Gear Value?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
So I've gotten 5 days of skiing in so far this year and have another 3 or 4 in the next month. I got a flyer from the local ski shop today saying they're having an end of season sale. 30-50% off on boots. They sold me a pair of boots in November (one of their other stores not the one I'm going to) that were an 80 flex. They have been too soft for me. I've had to have the boots cranked so tight that it cuts off blood flow to my feet and puts a lot of pressure on my shins (I think having to crank them so tight is what bruised them when I was in NH) I can keep them kind of loose when I ski groomers, but once I get in glades or moguls I have to tighten them otherwise my legs try to turn and the boot just bends but doesn't transfer my motion to the ski. So since they're having a sale I'm wanting to upgrade my boots. The thing is money is kinda tight right now so I was wondering how much my boots would depreciate over the year. They were brand new (last year's model) that were a sticker price of $550 and I got them on sale for $249. What do you think I could get on them in a trade in to upgrade to new boots?
post #2 of 19
Not sure if they will take a trade or not, but I'm leaning towards not.  If they are decent boots, you can likely sell them outright to help defray some of the cost of the new boots.  Folks around here typically sell lightly used gear for ~50% of what they paid for it

Now the $1,000,000 question, are you sure your boots fit?  The way you are talking about having to tighten your boots makes me think that they are too big for you.  Tightening your boots doesn't typically affect the flex of the boot a tremendous amount, though tightening the power strap down can stiffen up the forward flex quite a bit.  The flex really comes from the stiffness of the plastic in the boot.  

Head over to the boot forum here and read the wiki on how to shell fit your boots.  More than two fingers width behind your heel with the liner out and your toes lightly touching the front of the shell would indicate your boots are too big.

Good luck!

Mike
post #3 of 19
If you go by TGR's scale, gear depreciates about 50% every year..do you boots are worth roughly $125.00 now. I am not sure if this shop even has a trade in program or what their program would be, any item be it your boots or a widget is worth what someone is willing to pay for them. 

No you said they "sold' them to you, most shops will suggest a boot based upon the information that the customer tells them. Usually with a leftover boot such as you purchased, some times the choices are limited and will come down to price. You have to (honestly) ask yourself, did you make the purchase based upon price or performance?
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
I called and they will take a trade (they always have given money for our gear but normally our gear is a lot older than a year) but the guy up front didn't know because he didn't work in sales.
I'll make sure to check out the wiki. I trust the fitter at the shop I'm going to, he's always given me good fitting boots, the guy at their sister store didn't really seem like he was doing (hence how I ended up with too much flex and/or too big of a boot)

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Originally Posted by MikeC View Post

Not sure if they will take a trade or not, but I'm leaning towards not.  If they are decent boots, you can likely sell them outright to help defray some of the cost of the new boots.  Folks around here typically sell lightly used gear for ~50% of what they paid for it

Now the $1,000,000 question, are you sure your boots fit?  The way you are talking about having to tighten your boots makes me think that they are too big for you.  Tightening your boots doesn't typically affect the flex of the boot a tremendous amount, though tightening the power strap down can stiffen up the forward flex quite a bit.  The flex really comes from the stiffness of the plastic in the boot.  

Head over to the boot forum here and read the wiki on how to shell fit your boots.  More than two fingers width behind your heel with the liner out and your toes lightly touching the front of the shell would indicate your boots are too big.

Good luck!

Mike
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 
I told the guy that I wanted a boot I could use to ski groomers, but also use in bumps and glades, and they had plenty of boots left. I went with the one that seemed to fit the tightest of the 3 he brought out. This was also before I joined epic and became enlightened to the way off the boot, so I was going solely on his saying this boot will do what you want and is the size you need. He never told me how it should fit or did any kind of shell fit, just said ur foot is a 29.5 heres a 29.5. I went with the one that my heel lifted up the least when I walked around. 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

If you go by TGR's scale, gear depreciates about 50% every year..do you boots are worth roughly $125.00 now. I am not sure if this shop even has a trade in program or what their program would be, any item be it your boots or a widget is worth what someone is willing to pay for them. 

No you said they "sold' them to you, most shops will suggest a boot based upon the information that the customer tells them. Usually with a leftover boot such as you purchased, some times the choices are limited and will come down to price. You have to (honestly) ask yourself, did you make the purchase based upon price or performance?
post #6 of 19

 

Doesn't sound like they fit well. Good fitting boots don't have to be tight to provide excellent support and excellent transfer of energy from your body/leg/foot to the ski. It just happens.

Over tightening the boot just cuts off circulation. Just sounds like a fit problem. Unfortunately how they feel in the store isn't much of an indicator of how they are going to feel going down the hill.

 

post #7 of 19
sounds like a cursory fitting process.

on line and around here it is not unusual to buy a $750 boot, popular model year end or summer, for about 225. my son and I both picked up on a deal like that for Lange Freeride 130s and Technica Agent130s respectively. Start Haus and Sierra Ski online. no free fitting at that price however, which runs about 80.

If you tell someone park, you are going to get a soft boot. A guy I know who skis park passed on the Agent 120 as way too stiff.
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
 Ok, so I took MikeC's suggestion and read the wiki on boot fit. I guess I may have been wrong into diagnosing it as being the flex. I just did a shell fit...I had just over one full inch of room between the back of my heel and the back of my boot, I'm guessing that was probably the issue and not the flex rating, although I'm still looking to go to around a 100 flex when I get the boots, as per the advice i got from TaosCowboy after I got my current boots.
post #9 of 19
 What's your shoe size?
post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 
An 11 US mens

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 What's your shoe size?
post #11 of 19
So your boots are likely to be a 28/28.5, or even a 27/27.5 if you really pushed it into a smaller boot.  I'm a 9.5 and I ski a 26.5 boot, I could probably get into a 25/25.5, but I would need a good fitter and we don't have any here in Western PA.

Hope it all works out for the best!  I did the exact same thing you did when I got back into skiing about 8-10 years ago. Bought a 28.5 boot and thought it felt great and skied fine.  That was before I got on here and realized the boot was way too big.  My skiing was light years better after I got into the smaller boot!

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An 11 US mens
 


 
post #12 of 19
Yeah, 29.5 is at least one shell size too big for you, maybe two sizes too big.  I think you got an inexperienced salesperson.

At 11.5, I use a 28.0/28.5 shell and that's generally a good fit.  I could go 27.0/27.5 with work, but the cuffs tend to be too short (I'm 6'1").
post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 
 Thanks for the advice on size, but back to the thread question, when I get new boots and trade in my old ones (yes they accept trades) what should I expect to get. Also for a decent boot (at 30-50% off) what should I expect to pay. I know there is different definitions of what a good boot really is but I'm just looking for a boot to ski about 10 days a year on in the east. Mostly on black groomed runs but also in glades and bumps and small jumps in the terrain parks (that parts not a big deal though I only do that in PA when the snow is bad0
post #14 of 19
 I got some Salomon Impact 10s for about $250 at the end of the season a few years back.  That's about 70% off full price.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post

Yeah, 29.5 is at least one shell size too big for you, maybe two sizes too big.  I think you got an inexperienced salesperson.

At 11.5, I use a 28.0/28.5 shell and that's generally a good fit.  I could go 27.0/27.5 with work, but the cuffs tend to be too short (I'm 6'1").


 


or a very good salesman getting rid of a difficult size to move...
post #16 of 19
Call the shop, ask to make an appointment with the head bootfitter, bring the boots with you along with your socks and footbeds. Explain the problem to him/her. With a shell fit of just over 1", slightly more than "2 fingers", you might be dropping down a shell. A volume fit fit needs to be checked too along with looking at your dorsal range among other measurement. 

I am sure if the shop takes trade in's there is some sort of value process, as a I said, probably in the neighborhood of 50% of what you paid for them. 
post #17 of 19
Boots, like all other clothing, depreciates faster than most gear.  People don't tend to buy used clothing, except at Goodwill / Salvation Army prices.  The one exception I can think of is a serious race boot, which sometimes can be sold to another gate-basher.

Your best bet is to work with the shop that sold you the boots, explain that you have a fit issue, and hope that they make things right.  That may mean that they give you a generous credit on your current boots.

Your issue may or may not be flex.  I can't tell over the intertubes. 
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 
Good call, they did give me a decent deal on the boots. I purchased them for $250 during the pre-season sale and explained to their master boot fitter that I thought the guy at their sister store sold them to me, but I think he didn't size me right. Turns out I was right. I was in a 29.5; I'm now in 27.5's. The master boot fitter at our local shop is pretty good especially out in the middle of nowhere PA. Since their guy had given me such oversized boots I got a good deal. I got $175 trade in credit on boots I paid $250 for back in November. I ended up with some brand new 2009/10 Dalbello Axion 10's for around $360.

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Originally Posted by Walt View Post

Boots, like all other clothing, depreciates faster than most gear.  People don't tend to buy used clothing, except at Goodwill / Salvation Army prices.  The one exception I can think of is a serious race boot, which sometimes can be sold to another gate-basher.

Your best bet is to work with the shop that sold you the boots, explain that you have a fit issue, and hope that they make things right.  That may mean that they give you a generous credit on your current boots.

Your issue may or may not be flex.  I can't tell over the intertubes. 
post #19 of 19
Glad it all worked out well!  Let us know how the new boot ski.

Mike

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Originally Posted by tylrwnzl View Post

Good call, they did give me a decent deal on the boots. I purchased them for $250 during the pre-season sale and explained to their master boot fitter that I thought the guy at their sister store sold them to me, but I think he didn't size me right. Turns out I was right. I was in a 29.5; I'm now in 27.5's. The master boot fitter at our local shop is pretty good especially out in the middle of nowhere PA. Since their guy had given me such oversized boots I got a good deal. I got $175 trade in credit on boots I paid $250 for back in November. I ended up with some brand new 2009/10 Dalbello Axion 10's for around $360.
 


 
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