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I was online the other day and came across a ski company called Anton Gliders.  They supposedly are "the world's first active suspension ski".  To me, they look kind of cheap and unpractical.  And at $2900, the price is ridiculous.  What I want to know is if anyone has been on a pair or heard anything more about them. 
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 but they dont ski powder well at all.
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

 but they dont ski powder well at all.


Now imagine one of those setups on a 95-100 mm waist,  ~190cm ski, able to dial in front and rear pressure as wanted.

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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post

.  To me, they look kind of cheap and unpractical.

Really?   I had the exact opposite reaction.

  And at $2900, the price is ridiculous.  What I want to know is if anyone has been on a pair or heard anything more about them. 
There are several threads here already.
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post

Now imagine one of those setups on a 95-100 mm waist,  ~190cm ski, able to dial in front and rear pressure as wanted.


I dont really want camber for most of my skis...I was only kidding about the powder comment. every what powder ski should i buy thread people worry about groomers.

these would rock on groomers for sure!
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

I dont really want camber for most of my skis..

I know .

.I was only kidding about the powder comment. every what powder ski should i buy thread people worry about groomers.


these would rock on groomers for sure!

Exactly my point.    

I seriously think systems -like- the gliders with perhaps a little Atomic doubledeck/variocut knowhow are where the future is  ...  in about 15 years. 
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post

Exactly my point.    

I seriously think systems -like- the gliders with perhaps a little Atomic doubledeck/variocut knowhow are where the future is  ...  in about 15 years. 

I really hope that Atomic will explore doubledeck funshape skis.
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At $2,900, are they trained?
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thread is un-engaging without photos. get some. If it's what someone posted about a couple weeks ago, they weren't attracting a lot of attention at the ski show.

What's a good gimmick analogy? one inclusive of fixing it when it's not broken.

Well, not a good analogy as there are sound applications of the technology, but electro-hydraulic suspension in a cruiser car? Heck, if it gets a guy laid, it's doing more (to absorb bumps) than my awesome skis.
Edited by davluri - 2/6/10 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

What's a good gimmick analogy? one inclusive of fixing it when it's not broken.

 Reverse camber skis.

Edited for spot-on.
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post

 Reverse camber skis.

Edited for spot-on.
Funny how a lot of top skiers, and the the entire ski industry seems to think different.
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I skied 40K vertical on these skis at Sun Valley last week:
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post

I skied 40K vertical on these skis at Sun Valley last week:
40k of groom sure does sound fun
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

40k of groom sure does sound fun

On a pair of windshield wipers.

(I make no judgement as to their worth; I just had a belated realization of what they were.)

I think (not that I've ever tried one) that they would negate quite a bit of (and probably also reduce the need for) the fore-aft weight-shifting techniques that we employ and accept as normal with conventional skis.

I mean, that's the difference between karts/high-sprung race vehicles vs. softer sprung vehicles.  Exaggeration/dulling of weight transfer effects.

Maybe ski technology has been moving this way all along for many years now.
Edited by DtEW - 4/1/10 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post

I skied 40K vertical on these skis at Sun Valley last week:


Did you do any one footed drills or one footed skiing?
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We tested the Anton gliders a few seasons ago and have had many days on the Carbon EX model with quite a few different skiers.
In my opinion, the skis are a very, very effective packed-surface carving tool, and the adjustable models are the first skis to really allow the user to alter the flex from soft-to-medium-to-race-pace by turning an adjuster.  They look very strange, and many people poo-poo them immediately without trying them (I supposed they thought rockered skis were ridiculous too...maybe).  They have very impressive fabrication and thoughtful design.  They are not intended for soft snow (yet), but for hunting ideal groomed surface carving turns, they work, and work really well. I think they are wicked fun, a riot to ski, and people definitely do double-takes when they see them.  I see a whole bunch of strange skis from around the World, and the Anton Gliders are definitely one of the distinctive designs.  These are the first skis with "linkage" that really work and do the job they were designed to do.  If you can, get a demo on a pair!  If you are ever in Vermont, give me a shout and we can find a pair for you to try!

Pretty much everyone we had on them comes back after a few runs saying "Wow. These things are a riot....can I keep them for the rest of the day?"

They are having a sale: (http://www.antongliders.com/purchase.php) (although $2k is still very expensive...but not compared to some skis out there!)

UFOria XA - Xtra Lite/Adjustable.....Regular Retail: $2,990   now $1,990
Carbon Series (EX, GT, FS)..............Regular Retail: $2,990   now $1,990
UFOria.............................................Regular Retail: $2,490   now $1,790

I really want to try the new mid-size UFOria XA model!

Some links to test reviews and photos.



Edited by ExoticSkis - 4/3/10 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by Stranger View Post

At $2,900, are they trained?

Yes.  "The expert is in the ski." - Anton

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Exotic, do purchasers get trained to adjust the linkage?
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I'm surprised nobody's posted any of the videos of Wayne Wong explaining or skiing on them.  I wonder if he has a 'piece of the action'?




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Reminds me a bit of the Claw ski made up in Vermont on steroids. Claw showed comared to a "regular" ski how little the ski would deflect  when bounced on the floor. Would have to believe these Antons would also have Claw like grip on ice.


On a side note the Wayne Wong video supports the Wayne Wong siting I thought I had last year over in Vail on the Zot bumps. The skier I saw looked exactly like Wayne Wong wand was wearing the same Norwegian sweater. By the way Wayne can still get it done in the bumps. He was skiing K2 Crossfires the day I saw him.


Flash forward and all the 70's Wayne Wong fans can now afford $2,000 skis?  Where did I go wrong!

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Originally Posted by comprex View Post

Exotic, do purchasers get trained to adjust the linkage?

Sorry for the delay Comprex....been out of town...

There really is nothing to learn about the linkage on the Anton Gliders. The models with adjustment (Carbon EX and UFOria XA) only have one adjustment...the height of the polymer bumper regulating the point in the compression of the suspension where it contacts the ski itself (think of the rubber bumper on a strut on an automobile...sort of).  You can screw it up or down with fingers to make the ski flex uber-soft...or make it stiff.  It makes a huge difference in the way the ski behaves.  Other than the bumper height...no real adjustments....


There are some "enthusiasts" at Anton I talked to who have made custom hop-up parts for these things (stiffer suspension...higher-density polymer bumpers...etc..) like suspension kits for sports cars...believe it or not.


Quote: Originally from RoundTurns
Reminds me a bit of the Claw ski made up in Vermont on steroids. Claw showed comared to a "regular" ski how little the ski would deflect  when bounced on the floor. Would have to believe these Antons would also have Claw like grip on ice.


The Claw is a totally different beast....dampening science project rather than suspension system....but interesting adventure nonetheless!
I have not tried the old Claws....or the new ones reportedly in development....maybe...

The Antons do grip ice very well (extremely narrow waist and lots of kg / cm pressure point and work really well on the boilerplate here in Vermont.
If anyone is in VT this season...give me a shout and you can take the Carbon EX for a ride!





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I finally got to ride the new top-of-the-line UFOria -XA from Anton Dynamics,  The UFOria is a wider, longer revision of their flagship series we tested a couple seasons ago, and it seems they hit their mark for a more versatile adjustable ski for a wide audience.  In short, the UFOria -XA is a carving machine with stellar performance and adjustable flex behavior. Priced beyond the reach of most recreational skiers at MSRP of $2,990, the UFOria -XA is a very special ski for groomed surfaces, but you essentially get several different skis with different personalities for your money.  People either rave about this ski or can't quite come to terms with it (see Peter Keelty's reviews at RealSkiers.com for other comments), but the bottom line is Anton Wilson has developed a truly adjustable-flex carving ski with remarkable performance in a beautiful package at a premium price.


Anton Dynamics UFOria - XA
127-78-116mm, r=11.2m @ 162cm.

Anton Dynamics UFOria XA (left) compared to Carbon EX (right)

Manufacturer Info:

Anton Dynamics Inc
PO BOX 322
682 Main Street South
Woodbury, CT 06798-0322
Phone: 203 405-3470

Suggested Retail Price (MSRP):

$2,995 (was sold for $2,500 on their website during promotional pricing)

Usage Class:

Frontside carver

Your Rating (with comments): (1="get me off these things"->10="I have to own a pair")

10 for groomed surface carving, 4 for off-piste.


Superbly fun, adjustable-flex frontside carving machine suitable for low-level  intermediates looking to achieve secure carving skills through hyper-carving race-oriented experts looking for thrills on-edge at all speeds.  The ability to adjust the UFOria XA from soft and compliant short-radius turns to sincerely grippy, securely strong and exciting large-radius turns under GS pressures is simply a hoot and very impressive.  There is nothing like it on snow.  Balky and unhappy in deep snow, but surprisingly fun and responsive in the bumps when the flex is adjusted to your style. Very expensive, but can provide the behavior of several different skis in one package of highest quality.  More versatile in different frontside conditions than the firm-surface-only Carbon EX, but not as quick edge-to-edge. The XA rewards a strong skier.


The UFOria series is the second-generation release of the Anton Dynamics (formerly Anton Gliders) suspension ski system.  The UFOria series is available in a mid-performance, non-adjustable flex "UFOria -S" model and the premium "UFOria -XA" model with adjustable flex and more aggressive suspension geometry.  We previously tested the first-release generation of Anton suspension skis (click here for previous review and photos) and found we liked the widest, high-performance Carbon-EX model best.  Anton Wilson designed an even wider, longer ski than the first series and fitted a revised suspension system to it, resulting in the UFOria series, which has won over many skiers of all abilities.  We tested the top-of-the-line UFOria XA model here.

Technical Ski Data:

Wood-core, fiberglass, carbon-base, full-wrap edge ski construction with adjustable, aluminum suspension system.  VIST lite series bindings included.

Pre-Skiing Impression:

Superb-quality ski construction and finish. Aluminum suspension system is a work of art with impressive fit and finish of components.  New wider ski is well proportioned and responds to hand flexing (on all settings) throughout its length, visibly distributing pressure effectively to the ski's forebody, midsection and tail.  Damp feel and impressively torsional rigidity.  The gloss-black color is a nice looking platform for the red aluminum spaceframe and silver spring elements, but the "zipper" pattern graphic doesn't do much for me.

Test Conditions:

Powder (shin deep), cut-up powder, packed powder and hardpack surfaces, very cold, dry snow.

Test Results:

As per Anton Wilson's suggestion, I initially set the UFOria XA skis to the "medium"  flex setting of 5 clicks from full-soft (10 clicks available).  Skating away from the lift, the UFOrias felt somewhat "heavy".  As soon as I got into the second turn, the "heavy" feel gave way to a "planted" sensation.  Finding the "sweet spot" on the UFOrias is easier than other skis since the suspension system will essentially move you to the centered position if you press too much weight forward or backward.  The leafsprings respond to the rocking motion of your foot, always trying to return your stance to being centered.  You ski the Antons like any other ski, but with less effort to get the ski to set its edge and flex into a carved state.  The UFOrias simply respond to being rolled and pressed on edge by creating a curved flex and following the direction they have been set to.  Once set into an arc, you can simply apply more or less pressure to get a tighter or wider turn without losing any security underfoot.  With some carving skis, if you let up pressure once set into a carved turn, the ski straightens out or releases its grip uncomfortably.  The UFOrias maintain a confident, secure edgehold throughout a turn, even when you make mid-course corrections to the radius of your arc. It's this security underfoot that should be really appealing to intermediates learning to generate carved turns across various surfaces.  The UFOrias define what ski instructors and race coaches mean when they talk about "maintaining edge contact" and "finishing the turn".  The UFOrias maintain constant edge contact along he length of the ski across the surface of the snow during any size turn.  They feel like they distrubute pressure along the entire contact edge progressively and  completely; the forebody, waist and rear sections of the ski don't really exist, it is simply "the ski" under curvature pressure, applying weight to the edge for reliable, predictable grip.  The edging behavior is remarkably responsive and inspires confidence not found in other skis.  Shorten the dampers all the way and the springs compress farther down before the suspension frame contacts the ski itself and you get a softer, shorter-radius ski with easy-handling, round turn shapes.  Lengthen the dampers all the way and the suspension frame contacts the ski nearly immediately and produces a behavior like a giant slalom ski, both in flex and perceived length. You can literally
adjust the ski's flex and turn radius characteristics by turning two knurled screws (with gloves on).  The UFOria XA also allows relocation of the binding on the platform (with a #3 Pozi driver) so you can get your own mounting position dialed-in to where you like it. When people see the Anton UFOria, they often ask.."does it feel springy or bouncy?"  The suspension system doesn't give that impression at all.  The ski is damp and controlled, never nervous or jumpy, but responds instantly to weighting, angle and rotational changes, always feeling well-planted and follows the surface of the terrain.  I found the Anton UFOria XA to provide remarkably detailed feedback about the snow underfoot, even with the suspension system and aluminum frame between the boot and snow surface. You would think it would isolate feedback to your feet, but it communicates the degree of pressure, resistance, friction and depth better than most skis capable of high-intensity carving or slow and easy cruising.  It works, and it's really fun to ride. 

Analogies: (this ski is like...)

A slot car you can ride in, and adjust.

Things You Would Change About This Ski:

I would experiment with a bamboo core to reduce some weight.

Short Answer When Someone Asks "What Do You Think About This Ski?":

"Really, really fun. It's a carving machine you can adjust to make it soft and supple
with short radius turns, or stiffen it up to make GS turns like a race ski. Remarkable and one of the most interesting skis I've tried.  Not for powder skiing, but ideal for all kinds of groomed surfaces. All ski makers should try them and study the principles used to get it to perform the way it does."

Advice To People Considering This Ski:

Try a pair before you judge them by looks alone.

Self-Description of Skiing Style, Ability, Experience, Preferences:

5' 11", 180 lbs. Expert groomed-surface carver, "old-style" race inspired, "foot steerer" with fairly sensitive edging feel. Loves to hold long arcs with lots of pressure on the downhill ski (you know the type),  but also loves the feel of both skis on-edge leaving tiny railroad track edge tracks.  Loves powder when it's not tracked out. 10 year coach for youth race team in New England (bulletproof is the norm).


Anton Dynamics UFOria XA (left) compared to Carbon EX (right)

Base view of UFOria XA (left) and Carbon EX (right)

Anton Dynamics UFOria - XA

Anton Dynamics UFOria - XA

Flex Adjuster in full extension (stiff setting)

Flex Adjuster in full retraction(soft setting)

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Product:Review: 2011 / Anton / UFO-ria-XA


Length/size Tested: 162


Environment of Conditions:

*Location of review: Northstar

*Runs Taken: 7

*Snow Conditions: firm Tahoe Hardpack

*Demo or Purchase: Demo


Summery (inc. Strengths & Weaknesses):

I met up with Wayne and Anton at SIA and we chatted about their product. Since Wayne and I are nearly neighbors, and both ski out of the North Tahoe region, we decided to meet up so I could get on these skis and take some runs. On the first lift ride up Zephyr, he talked about the evolution on the idea and how they evolved from in-line skates, and how some of the early prototypes were on Elan Steaths (87/45/87) and what to expect from their on snow performance. One think Wayne said was "Just don't look down at them"..I thought kinda like the Salomon BBR. 


Getting off the lift was a strange sensation, as I skated away from the lift, I felt even though the ski felt in the air, it was still on the snow. I thought was a crazy amount of camber. Wayne commented that the ski actually has NO camber, I was feeling the suspension pushing the tip and tail down..interesting. The first run I tool was set in the softest setting, the setting that Wayne prefers and actually says gives the best hold on the hardest snow, which he adds is counter intuitive.


I start by linking short turns down an easy blue run (Pioneer), the ski does not feel as short as any 162 as I let the ski further and further out. The anton feels just attached to the snow with a rare combination of being all smooth, damp and lively all at the same time. As I pick us some speed, I spy a roller and as I hit it, I felt the ski release a little but but as I land, the suspension just cradles the absorption, very interesting. On the next few runs I played with the settings, from soft to stiff and kinda like a sport suspension vs. a comfort setting, the ski was able to react different. The hard setting gave a bit more pop out of the turn but at the cost of the suppleness, I think a setting somewhere in the middle would be better for my 185lb frame vs. Wayne's 160ish body. It was fun laying down railroad 8's behind Wayne to get a feel for the different radiuses that the ski is capable of. 


One of the things I asked Wayne was "what can I expect when I get back on my regular skis", he mentioned what most people feel is a more planted sensation and some more nuances in edge feel. He was surely correct, I got on my MX88's and headed back to the car...I did immediately notice the difference in length, but the edge control was a bit different..in a good way. 


Overall, It felt like a good slalom ski but without the demanding nature. As mentioned, there is very little you can tell from this ski until you ski it, so if you see Wayne or Anton and you have a chance to spend some time with a ski legend, try these. 




Tester Info:

Age: 47

Height/Weight: 5'10" 185lb

Average days on snow: 0-10, 11-25, 30+  (pick one)

Years Skiing: 0-5, 6-15, 15+  (pick one)


Aggressiveness: Conservative / Moderate / Aggressive / Competitor (pick one)


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Did the suspension affect your perception of front-to-back balance at all?


Could it be made to literally change said balance for other skiers, if required?

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From my rides on the UFOria XA, you get a very subtle, but definitely noticeable "recentering" effect underfoot if you rock too far forward or too far back.  It's not forcible, just a kind of "hinting" underfoot..so it's an interesting feedback (if you like your skis talking to you like that).  I don't know if it would actually change the balance of other skiers, so much as let them know when they are centered on top of the suspension system.  The best analogy I have is if you rock your feet back and forth barefoot on a trampoline, you can feel when you are "on center" and balanced.  The effect of having a rigid plastic skiboot around your feet and ankle area really dampens that feeling, but it is definitely there.  I have seen some people ride the Antons and not notice it, whereas the more tech-geeky skiers tend to feel it more...probably because they are looking for it.


Overall, the "recentering" effect is small, but if you listen for the hints underfoot, you can adjust your stance so you can tell when you are "neutral".

Does that help?

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exactly the sort of feedback I was looking for, thanks.

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“I'm way better than you, I should be testing those skis!” (GNAR PC 500) I said to instructor Jim who was demoing the Anton Glider (they looked like the picture of the UFOria ~162). “OK, you're riding them this morning.” he said. Now I'm in a ski clinic working primarily on carving skills. The snow was hard with occasional icy patches. Normally I ride superlight Goodes in the bumps but they aren't great carvers. So I'm out on my Volkl Race Tigers slalom skis struggling to ski fast enough to stay with the group. Anything should be better than my personal skis so I'm game to try the Antons.


Now if a ski can't turn fast, I won't like it much. The first turns on the Antons were a delight. No funky springing or anything. Quick and lively, the Antons were the equal to any of the fastest turning skis I've ever ridden – and I tend to gravitate to quick turning skis. Even in the icy patches the edges would grip well on those quick turns. Hey, I like these skis today!


The clinic degenerates into drills of long and mid radius turns – exactly where my skills are weakest. Tim's coaching was working well but my personal slalom cut skis weren't making things easy. The Antons would easily swoop into nice GS lines and stayed stable on the high speed downhill turns. Surprisingly stable for such a short ski. Tim was getting tired of waiting for me on my personal skis - I maintained enough speed to keep up with the front of the group on the Antons. It's like that one ski was a slalom specialty ski, a GS cruiser and a downhill racer - all in one ski!


My personal passion is for bumps so a ski must rock the bumps. Now that day (Feb 9, 2011) the bumps were awful. Hard and cut up. Typical old snow bumps. Squaw hadn't had a big snow for over a month. The snow cats had killed most of the fun bumps that an instructor could take a class through. But Tim was able to find us a reasonable pitch of bumps to play in - really firm with variable lines but skiable. The perfect time to test the qualities of a bump ski. The Antons rocked these bumps! The skis were super quick and carved a nice edge to move about. Despite the weight, the skis felt light enough. The stability when I got a little too much speed was very comforting. They stayed with me when I got in the back seat. I snuck out of the group for a a steep big bump sample (Breakout on Granite Chief) and really enjoyed challenging the skis. For these conditions, the Antons were as good as any ski I have ever taken into technically challenging moguls. Wow!


Now these skis do have a couple of defects. They are heavy. Really heavy. I was barely able throw a twister (GNAR – 50) and didn't feel confident enough to try my weenie helicopter in the bumps. Riding the chair hurt my knees from the weight of the skis dragging down. Recovery from off balance was a challenge. A significant weight reduction should really help these skis.


Another defect is that dimensionally it is not to FIS specifications. This might be a great race ski if it's legal. Maybe the next great breakthrough.


The worst defect is the price. Double the retail of the most expensive skis is hard to swallow. Eventually the skis should come out of the realm of prototypes and prices should approach normal. I hope - because I'd like to be able to afford a pair.


I went back to my Volkl Race Tigers (165 slalom cut) after lunch. Easy transition back to traditional skis. The Antons had a surprisingly conventional feel - just a bit wider performance band. The Race Tigers were a little disappointing by comparison. They might have been a bit grippier than the Antons but much less smooth. The Antons got air better so the first heli I tried on the Race Tigers I landed way back on my heels. I really want the swing weight of my Goodes in a lively carver like the Antons. I really want to try them in good snow conditions and maybe play with some different settings.


Skiing these skis was a treat. I've been part of Waterski Magazine's Slalom Ski Tests. I design and test waterskis and compete effectively on my designs. Evaluating skis is fun. Especially when the skis are a creative and exotic design. And especially when the skis work well.


Skiing the Antons made me the best skier on the mountain! (GNAR EG 500)

Eric Lee 

post #28 of 44

Very cool skis.  I like the concept...the price not so much, but if regular top notch skis cost $1k, I can see how these cost as much as they do.

post #29 of 44

After listening to Wayne in the video above regarding how they "work" I'm left feeling simply that this is really not "new technology".

He said they start with a flat (no camber) ski and preload the tip and tails with the composite spring. Well guess what, a convensional cambered ski does just that with an "internal spring" or the skis designed camber. It causes the tip and tail to be preloaded when the skiers weight is on the ski. The "direct torsion path" is also engineered into a conventional ski with metal layers or cross section in any decent conventional hard snow ski. 


So nothing new, except the floating feeling that this must cause between the skier and the ski and I can't see how that isolation can be a good thing. (think 70's Cadillac suspension)


Oh, and the $2,500 price tag



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Why are we seeing attchment points through the bases?  th_dunno-1[1].gif



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